Author Topic: Random audax questions  (Read 184180 times)

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1175 on: November 22, 2018, 06:54:13 am »
I am processing ISR applications and am the sole cause of the delay. We ran out of badges, ordered a new batch that were sub-standard and had to get a replacement batch from another supplier. Literally the only thing holding things up now is stuffing the envelopes and going to the post office. Guess what I am doing this Friday evening and Saturday morning?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1176 on: November 22, 2018, 01:10:10 pm »
Thanks, LWaB, a trouper

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1177 on: November 26, 2018, 09:03:46 am »
Does anyone have figures for the number of people who have died while participating in recent editions of PBP?  I know of 2 this century.

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1178 on: November 26, 2018, 09:22:35 am »
During PBP only or also dying later as a result of injuries sustained during PBP? The total since PBP began is in single figures.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1179 on: November 26, 2018, 09:46:33 am »
During PBP only or also dying later as a result of injuries sustained during PBP? The total since PBP began is in single figures.

During or later as a result.  I guess the legal "year-and-a-day" criterion could apply.  Do you know the numbers?  I'd be happy to find an authoritative source for 2003 and later.  I only know of two and I hope there are no more than two.

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1180 on: November 26, 2018, 10:34:22 am »
Have look at topic 1200 on YACF. It lists all of the PBPers that I know of who have died as a result of PBP crashes. From memory, there are about five PBPers, which is pretty low considering the number of entrants, the duration of the event and how many years PBP has been running for.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1181 on: November 26, 2018, 10:51:42 am »
Have look at topic 1200 on YACF. It lists all of the PBPers that I know of who have died as a result of PBP crashes. From memory, there are about five PBPers, which is pretty low considering the number of entrants, the duration of the event and how many years PBP has been running for.

Thank you very much.

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1182 on: November 26, 2018, 09:19:18 pm »
Actually 6 PBPers have died from crashes during the event, usually with motor vehicles. 1 in 1961, 1 in 1966, 2 in 1975, 1 in 2007 (after the event) and 1 in 2011.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1183 on: November 26, 2018, 10:01:31 pm »
Can you ECE an arrow?

It has been done: http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2017/listride/?Rider=14766
An interesting season - if I'm reading it right, Mr Gee only does 600s between December and Easter.

His season didn't go entirely to plan.

citoyen

  • Cat 6 Racer
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1184 on: December 07, 2018, 02:37:27 pm »
Question about validating permanents from an organiser's perspective:

Where do I find the online start/finish list for my perm? I can't see a link to it on the organiser's section of the (old) website.

I've also emailed the perms sec about this, so may well get clarification from him soon.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1185 on: December 07, 2018, 05:19:17 pm »
Where do I find the online start/finish list for my perm? I can't see a link to it on the organiser's section of the (old) website..

(Just in case this helps:) I'd expect it to come up when you click "organisers" on the homepage menu... but that's probably what you've tried already.

citoyen

  • Cat 6 Racer
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1186 on: December 07, 2018, 05:40:15 pm »
Yes, I can see the event listed there (along with my calendar events) but no obvious link to the start/finish list.

I’m new to organising perms and I’ve just had cards back from my first two riders. I’m sure all will become clear soon...

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1187 on: December 07, 2018, 06:06:40 pm »
Hmm. I thought you might get "update rider list" offered next to each of them. That's just for DIYs then.

citoyen

  • Cat 6 Racer
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1188 on: December 07, 2018, 08:00:24 pm »
Hmm. I thought you might get "update rider list" offered next to each of them.

That’s the kind of thing I would expect to see, but it ain’t there.

Manotea

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1189 on: December 07, 2018, 08:13:11 pm »
Ah, new perm org syndrome.  your perms have to be validated by the permsec. you submit them for validation by post.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1190 on: December 17, 2018, 10:58:36 am »
Jeez, one rider has qualified for R5000 already (and all in 200s). Respect.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1191 on: December 17, 2018, 11:56:58 am »
+1!

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1192 on: December 17, 2018, 01:03:14 pm »
Actually 6 PBPers have died from crashes during the event, usually with motor vehicles. 1 in 1961, 1 in 1966, 2 in 1975, 1 in 2007 (after the event) and 1 in 2011.

So 4 PBPs, averaging 5000 riders averaging 1200km (I know some rough estimates but this is an order of magnitude question) - that 24m kilometres for 2 fatalities or 12m km (7.5m miles) per fatality.

There are 30m cars in the UK and approximately 1500 annual fatalities.  According to the RAC the average distance driven is 12,000km (they had 7800 miles in 2017 and reducing).  So that's 240m km per fatality - so per km you are 20 times more likely to die riding PBP than driving a car in the UK.  However, for every road fatality, there's approximately 15 severe (life-changing injuries).  I don't know what the stats are in PBP in that category but would suspect that it's lower. 



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LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1193 on: December 17, 2018, 02:16:14 pm »
One PBP death was several months after the event, so I'm not sure if it 'officially' counts.
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Karla

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1194 on: December 17, 2018, 02:56:54 pm »
There are 29.5 cyclist deaths per billion miles on UK roads (2016 figures) which translates to one death per 34 million miles, or 56 million km.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1195 on: December 17, 2018, 03:05:47 pm »
So 4 PBPs, averaging 5000 riders averaging 1200km (I know some rough estimates but this is an order of magnitude question) - that 24m kilometres for 2 fatalities or 12m km (7.5m miles) per fatality.

If we assume no one died on the PBPs not mentioned, surely we need to include those in the multiplication too?

Otherwise you've calculated "risk of dying on a PBP where somebody died".

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1196 on: December 17, 2018, 06:40:30 pm »
I assume that we're not counting PBP deaths from natural causes. Heart attacks have taken at least two.

However, you're much likelier to be attended by a medical professional on PBP than on a general ride. You're never very far from a doctor.

mattc

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1197 on: December 17, 2018, 06:42:08 pm »
So 4 PBPs, averaging 5000 riders averaging 1200km (I know some rough estimates but this is an order of magnitude question) - that 24m kilometres for 2 fatalities or 12m km (7.5m miles) per fatality.

If we assume no one died on the PBPs not mentioned, surely we need to include those in the multiplication too?

Otherwise you've calculated "risk of dying on a PBP where somebody died".
Excellent statto point there  :thumbsup:

(although when we recalculate this properly, there will be a counter-effect from the fact that - IIRC - those events back in the 60s-70s had a lot less than 5000 riders. )
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1198 on: December 30, 2018, 09:10:04 am »
Am I right in thinking that the only permanents that count towards ACP Randonneur 5000/10000 are a) Super Radonnees (which exist in various countries) and b) Flèches de France (for which there is no international equivalent)?

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1199 on: December 30, 2018, 09:56:54 am »
Yes
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