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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #175 on: September 27, 2011, 03:40:55 pm »
RRTY question:  If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.

The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.

I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.

You'd best address your question to Mike Wigley, as he's the organiser of that award.

Billy Weir

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #176 on: September 27, 2011, 07:27:54 pm »
RRTY question:  If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.

The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.

I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.

Regardless of what Mike W says the rules permit (or otherwise) do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you will have done a RRTY if you rely on that ruse?  These awards are personal and you have to be able to respect your own achievement.

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #177 on: September 27, 2011, 07:44:00 pm »
You're right! I'm gonna try & get Friday off work.  I wouldn't mind but I did 1600k last month  :)
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #178 on: September 27, 2011, 08:17:01 pm »
RRTY question:  If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.

The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.

I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.

Regardless of what Mike W says the rules permit (or otherwise) do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you will have done a RRTY if you rely on that ruse?  These awards are personal and you have to be able to respect your own achievement.

Today marks the completion of my 'proper' RRTY. I have the badge and my name in the Hall of Fame but I took advantage of the 59 day January which has always had a small tinge of cheating for me. But today (subject to validation of my ECE) marks 12 genuine months. Now I need to decide if Feb is month 1 or month 7...

Conscience, it's a killer.

(Feb was month 1)
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #179 on: September 27, 2011, 09:33:14 pm »
Month 7 then you can get out all through the winter like I'm gonna have to  :demon:
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #180 on: October 01, 2011, 09:07:18 am »
RRTY question:  If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.

The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.

I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.

I did exactly that yesterday, riding my route check for the Anfractuous as a DIY Perm so I could record a September ride.

It's not really an option for route check rides but I have started a ride on 23:30 on 31/8 to keep an RRTY streak alive. Sad but true.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #181 on: October 03, 2011, 01:05:33 pm »
RRTY question:  If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.

The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.

I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.

I did exactly that yesterday, riding my route check for the Anfractuous as a DIY Perm so I could record a September ride.

It's not really an option for route check rides but I have started a ride on 23:30 on 31/8 to keep an RRTY streak alive. Sad but true.
If I've read Fungus's question (and your response) correctly, what you did was exactly NOT what Fungus was suggesting.  You did a ride in September to be counted as a September ride.  Fungus wanted to call a ride ridden in August a September ride.

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #182 on: October 03, 2011, 01:22:38 pm »
RRTY question:  If you ride a 200k as an organiser ie: a week before the ride as a route check could you still claim that ride for the actual audax date.

The route check was done on the 29th of August & the Audax was in September.

I haven't done a September 200k yet & am plucking at straws, I may be able to get friday off work for a last minute 200.

Regardless of what Mike W says the rules permit (or otherwise) do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you will have done a RRTY if you rely on that ruse?  These awards are personal and you have to be able to respect your own achievement.
Completely agree with Billy that these things are a personal decision.

My 2p-worth:
The point of the route-check/helpers-ride thingy is partly as compensation for the helpers not being able to ride the calendar event on the day. This seems compatible with an  RRTY ride , ethically speaking. But that's just my thought ...
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #183 on: October 03, 2011, 01:27:24 pm »
I also agree that it's an entirely personal decision

My own view would be that RRTY is about getting out and doing a ride each month, come what may, and that's really not an easy thing to do.  Which is why it's a challenge. Not doing a  ride in one month seems to me to be a hole in your achievement and for me it would feel a bit false.  I'd have similar views if I'd taken advantage of the artificially-long January we had a couple of years ago. But as I say, just a personal view.

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #184 on: October 03, 2011, 01:52:02 pm »
Having reread the post PhilD is of course correct.

With my audax facist hat on - which mostly stays on the peg - I would regard such as being sharp practice but within the rules so what the heck. You could say much the same of my 23:30 31/8 start. In any long term major enterprise it is inevitable that some short cuts are taken here or there (ask anybody who has wandered off the route sheet to avoid some hazard, or decided not to ride a perm because it was raining).

FWIW I was far more exercised about the RRTY 'snow' rules which allowed January rides to be performed in February. How northern riders must have laughed at such accomodations being offered to the southern softies. It's a shame I had already blown my 11 month RRTY streak in December...

Edit: Cross post with MV

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #185 on: October 03, 2011, 06:09:34 pm »
It's all academic anyway -

Two battles 200k perm done today for my September RRTY ride  :)

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #186 on: October 07, 2011, 10:41:58 am »
A random audax question :

What are the German, French, Spanish and Italian words for routesheet?

Thanks

Keith

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #187 on: October 08, 2011, 05:49:34 pm »
According to Google Translate,
routesheet, routesheet, routesheet and routesheet respectively.

It does also ask "did you mean   route sheet?"
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #188 on: October 13, 2011, 12:18:47 pm »
Brevet 25000 question:

When it says "and other rides to top up to 25000km" does this include all rides or only rides over 200k.  As it's a Brevet award I would think it includes rides under 200k  ???
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #189 on: October 13, 2011, 12:49:59 pm »
Brevet 25000 question:

When it says "and other rides to top up to 25000km" does this include all rides or only rides over 200k.  As it's a Brevet award I would think it includes rides under 200k  ???

Think of it as needing 250 points;  100km events don't attract points so can't count for this award.

Extra satisfaction when you do get there, though!

Regards,

RP.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #190 on: October 13, 2011, 01:00:17 pm »
Think of it as needing 250 points;  100km events don't attract points so can't count for this award.

Extra satisfaction when you do get there, though!

Regards,

RP.

Thanks!  I better get out & get some points then  :)
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #191 on: October 13, 2011, 02:00:59 pm »
I noticed in another thread about new year resolutions.

When does the Audax year start and end?

I haven't joined yet, but have signed up for a ride in November.

I was planning to join in January, but if the year starts before then, i'll bring this forward.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #192 on: October 13, 2011, 02:13:36 pm »
I noticed in another thread about new year resolutions.

When does the Audax year start and end?
The season for points and awards etc starts on 1st November.
The year for membership starts on 1st January. Though if you join near the end of the year, your membership will run until the end of the following year.
I think if you joined now, your membership would last until the end of 2012.

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #193 on: October 13, 2011, 03:04:19 pm »
I think if you joined now, your membership would last until the end of 2012.

Having joined a couple of weeks ago, I can confirm this.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #194 on: October 13, 2011, 04:48:29 pm »
good, i'll join tonight then, and Novembers ride will be my first of the year :)
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #195 on: October 16, 2011, 04:21:41 pm »
The season for points and awards etc starts on 1st November.

Though this seems likely to change, to 1st Oct, as of the season starting autumn 2012. 
As far as I can see, there will be a special offer for October 2012 - points will count twice ...  :o
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #196 on: October 21, 2011, 01:22:05 pm »
Anyone understand why it is that for new Perms we've got to make sure that every control is useable 24hrs a day? To me that means that only cash machines and 24hr garages are possible controls. Which means that lots of lovely routes in the North of Scotland can't be made into Perms. It's only easy to make new perms that run along main roads in more densely populated parts of the country, which is the exact opposite of what more people want to ride.

I can't see what would be wrong with creating a perm with an information sheet that told the riders when the controls would be open. That would let the rider plan their start point/time to ensure that they could control properly.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #197 on: October 21, 2011, 03:32:29 pm »
I can't see what would be wrong with creating a perm with an information sheet that told the riders when the controls would be open. That would let the rider plan their start point/time to ensure that they could control properly.
Completely agree.

Such an info sheet would always be useful for riders. What is odd here is that event organisers are required to arrange reasonable refuelling opportunities at reasonable distances - man cannot live on ATMs.


('fraid I have no idea how this new requirement came about).
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #198 on: October 21, 2011, 11:20:52 pm »
Anyone understand why it is that for new Perms we've got to make sure that every control is useable 24hrs a day? To me that means that only cash machines and 24hr garages are possible controls. Which means that lots of lovely routes in the North of Scotland can't be made into Perms. It's only easy to make new perms that run along main roads in more densely populated parts of the country, which is the exact opposite of what more people want to ride.

I can't see what would be wrong with creating a perm with an information sheet that told the riders when the controls would be open. That would let the rider plan their start point/time to ensure that they could control properly.

I've never insisted on that. But if a rider reaches a control at silly o'clock, it's their responsibility to prove they were there.

Lovely Horse

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #199 on: October 23, 2011, 07:27:17 am »
I suspect you, Valkyrie,  are speaking about the requirement for new listed permanents (not DIYs)?

John Ward is not a computer, where everything is a 1 or a 0.  If you have an idea for a permanent that would require a control in a town where the only options are open in (reasonable) hours, then put your idea forward to him.  Based on my past dealings, I suspect you'll get a sympathetic hearing if it is a route in a part of the country not well served at the moment.

From my own rider/organiser perspective, a clear and up to date list of when controls are open seems entirely sensible; the only thought that struck me was the ability to guarantee the control will remain open (and how frequently would you check) and if not, are there alternatives.  Not knowing the details of the route, I'd also be looking (from a rider perspective) that the window of opportunity for riding has some flexibility on where you can start the ride and the time (both of day and of year), but that's personal preference.

That all said, not every good long distance route is suitable for audax.  Proof of control is a fundamental requirement and the 24 hour rule would seem to be a sensible starting point, unless an alternative presents itself.