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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #600 on: April 16, 2014, 01:32:49 pm »
Map my ride, strava, ridewithgps - all are way better than garmin connect for both uploading files and looking at your personal records/achievements/progress.
It's all just presented so much better and easier on the eye.
Having said that I've recently had an accident and not been on the bike for a week and a half.  I did notice that garmin connect seemed to have changed their site a bit last time I looked (when I uploaded the offending ride) - maybe it's improved in the last week or two.



I wouldn't even dream of constructing a route with garmin's software.  Ridewithgps, bikehike, bikeroutetoaster are all much much better.

Thanks... I'll have a look into them... Garmin connect still not running after checking today...

Hope you get over your injury soon...

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #601 on: April 16, 2014, 03:45:30 pm »
Thanks and you're welcome :)
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #602 on: April 21, 2014, 08:29:02 am »
Can I ride a DIY longer than 1000km, say 1400km? Or do I have to split it in two 700km rides, around a planned sleep stop, which would decrease the overall time allowed to do it (unless I stop for 11 hours)?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #603 on: April 21, 2014, 08:45:36 am »
You can ride a DIY of any length.

Bottom speed would be 12kph for that distance.

You can split it into 2*700 (minimum speed 13.5) and rest between the two legs. But it wouldn't be quite as audacious!
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #604 on: April 21, 2014, 09:06:56 am »
Can you find another 100k of nice roads?

Cos then you could split it into 600+400+300+200 rides. A back-to-back SR would be quite cool.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #605 on: April 21, 2014, 09:16:35 am »
You can ride a DIY of any length.

Bottom speed would be 12kph for that distance.

You can split it into 2*700 (minimum speed 13.5) and rest between the two legs. But it wouldn't be quite as audacious!

Thanks, Marcus. Why then does http://www.aukweb.net/diy/routes/ say "We validate rides at 50km, 100km, 150km, 200km, then at 100km intervals up to 1000km."? There doesn't seem to be diy perm events listed for rides over 1000 on http://www.aukweb.net/perms/
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #606 on: April 21, 2014, 09:36:34 am »
Interesting!

It has been done (marcus (the other REALLY crazy one) did a DIY of well over 2000km and there are perms (end to end etc.) over that distance).

PM manotea as he is your man for this stuff.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #607 on: April 21, 2014, 10:29:36 am »
Why then does http://www.aukweb.net/diy/routes/ say "We validate rides at 50km, 100km, 150km, 200km, then at 100km intervals up to 1000km."?
I don't know.

Let us know when you find out.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #608 on: April 21, 2014, 10:30:18 am »
Yes, interesting, and one of those things we need to get clarified, probably!

It has been done (marcus (the other REALLY crazy one) did a DIY of well over 2000km.

I think he had to set it up as an "ordinary" Permanent, rather than a DIY. (See 2011 Results for Marcus Y.)
If he'd entered it as a DIY "1000", the longest option available on the online entry form, he could have ridden his whole entered 3400 km (shortest), but would have had to average 13.33km/hour for the counting distance, and would have scored a mere 10 points.

On the paper entry form though, you can presumably enter for any multiple of 100km, including 700 and 2000, etc.:

http://www.aukweb.net/users/common_files/Handbook/entry-form.pdf

On the website, at

http://www.aukweb.net/diy/traditional/

it says

"We validate rides at 50km, 100km, 150km, 200km, then at 100km intervals up to 1000km."

Elsewhere no limit is mentioned:

Handbook:
9.6.1
Distances are registered and validated in increments of 100 km from 200km upwards.
9.6.2
The standard distances are 200, 300, 400, 600 and 1,000 km.

On speeds:

9.7.1
The minimum speeds are:
for events registered as 200 to 600 km – set by the organiser within the range 14.3 to 15 kph;
for events registered as 700 to 1200 km - 13⅓kph;
for events registered as 1300 to 1800 km - 12 kph;
for events registered as 1900 to 2400 km - 10 kph; and
for events registered as 2500 km and over - 8⅓kph.

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #609 on: April 21, 2014, 09:51:42 pm »
Interesting!

It has been done (marcus (the other REALLY crazy one) did a DIY of well over 2000km and there are perms (end to end etc.) over that distance).

PM manotea as he is your man for this stuff.
There are set DIYs of up to x000 km. 
After that not enough people do them I think.  Thus when "marcus (the other REALLY crazy one)" did his extravaganza of 3400 (iirc) km it got its own event name etc so it could be recorded.
Rich Forrest did the paperwork at the time fwiw.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #610 on: April 21, 2014, 10:07:33 pm »
So if I come up with a good 1400km route, I should maybe consider turning it into a proper perm? This is interesting indeed, need to think about this some more, but I guess that would rule out validation via GPX - that would need to be done as a DIY?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #611 on: April 22, 2014, 08:37:38 am »
So if I come up with a good 1400km route, I should maybe consider turning it into a proper perm? This is interesting indeed, need to think about this some more, but I guess that would rule out validation via GPX - that would need to be done as a DIY?

I created a new perm last year with AAA points - Hummers Lumpy End 2 End (1900k). Validation was via receipts at points/proof of presence along the route sent to John Ward whilst prior route AAA approval was via a GPX track sent to Steve Snook. I don't have a GPS so AAA validation also relied on receipts.

With respect to the planning, I would advise you to plan route check points and your latest arrival time based on your minimum speeds throughout the ride. Ours was 10kph which whilst generous, meant we had to put in over 500k in the first two days to get the time in for sleep at a reasonable time of the night.

With respect to validation, I would advise you not to rely on GPS tracks alone. Should your unit fail, you will have no proof of presence and will be buggered  :'(

Good luck.

H

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #612 on: April 22, 2014, 10:02:05 am »
... and will be buggered
H
Is this a new AUK reg?

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #613 on: April 22, 2014, 10:37:16 am »
Thanks for all the suggestions & help so far, Manotea has confirmed that he can handle DIYs over 1000km - his entry form has actually got '1000km+' in the distance selection list.

Next to figure out how to validate it as there are some long stretches with nowhere to get a receipt and don't really fancy relying on a gps - may have to resort to timestamped photos of road signs, etc.

Ivan
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #614 on: April 22, 2014, 12:22:26 pm »
... and will be buggered
H
Is this a new AUK reg?


I think it's merely a guideline.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #615 on: April 22, 2014, 08:22:22 pm »
... and will be buggered
H
Is this a new AUK reg?


I think it's merely a guideline.
Surely it would be a decision left entirely at the organiser's discretion?
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #616 on: April 27, 2014, 11:25:18 pm »
Postal events.

Does the organiser send you a Brevet card to return your proof of passage bits and pieces? Or even on postal events only is there someone at the start handing them out?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #617 on: April 28, 2014, 06:54:00 am »
If it's a calendar event - where all riders start together - the org will indeed hand out cards at the start.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #618 on: April 28, 2014, 06:57:25 am »
I have always wondered the difference between this and a group perm?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #619 on: April 28, 2014, 07:17:02 am »
Group Perm won't have appeared on the calendar, so arrangeable at short(ish) notice? (Very short notice if you're confident about your own measurement of the counting distance for a DIY.)



Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #620 on: May 12, 2014, 08:17:34 am »


Do Perms count towards an SR Series?


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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #621 on: May 12, 2014, 08:28:35 am »
Yes for AUK, no for ACP.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #622 on: May 12, 2014, 08:31:41 am »

Thanks. The season runs - October 1st to September 30th?


Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #623 on: May 12, 2014, 08:47:10 am »
Yes. Inclusive.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #624 on: May 12, 2014, 08:56:53 am »