Author Topic: Random audax questions  (Read 190512 times)

hellymedic

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1225 on: February 09, 2019, 01:31:09 pm »
Secret controls used to be quite common in AUK brevets last century.

Indeed they did 'in my day', when routes were mandatory and secret controls were used to maintain integrity. AIUI the Event Secretary could demand either an information or Secret Control for this.

Some Secret Controls were pretty large roadside refreshment stops you could hardly miss if you were awake.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1226 on: February 09, 2019, 11:44:11 pm »
I didn't realize AUK brevets used to have mandatory routes. When did they stop being mandatory and why?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1227 on: February 10, 2019, 11:19:44 am »
They stopped some years ago - around the turn of the millennium I think, though it was before my time ...

I understand that at least one reason was (possibly misplaced) concern about insurance in the event of an incident, in that a mandatory route might open the organiser to liability if it was argued that they had not sufficiently exercised their duty of care, whereas advisory-only routes might be more supportive of the notion that everyone is on an independent excursion and has done their own due diligence over the route they have chosen.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1228 on: February 10, 2019, 11:25:45 am »
That has a logic to it, though taken further could argue against route sheets (whether printed, electronic or whatever). Possibly (this has just occurred to me this second) you could argue that mandatory routes are contrary to "the spirit of self-sufficiency".
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1229 on: February 10, 2019, 11:28:45 am »
AUK is the only randonneuring organisation with advisory routes. Self-sufficiency can be taken a little too far. Don't forget to knit your own bike frame and collect your own rainwater.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1230 on: February 10, 2019, 11:41:03 am »
Well, I know three randonneurs who've made their own frames,* but none of them has produced the raw materials themselves. (Yes, I know the self-sufficiency argument is specious, but it just popped into my head at that moment.)

*About eight frames in total between the three of them, though definitely not all used on audaxes (or used by audaxeurs – some have been made for eg family members).
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frankly frankie

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1231 on: February 11, 2019, 09:58:01 am »
When did they stop being mandatory and why?

The alteration in the Regs was in November 1999. 
The 'why' is unclear since there is no record of any discussion around the topic, at that time.  I think it was simple recognition of what was becoming normal custom & practice.  Secret controls, which had been commonplace during most events, were becoming increasingly rare as events tended to be run by individuals rather than clubs, and were understaffed as a result.  Riders recognising this were starting to make their own route choices.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1232 on: February 18, 2019, 12:07:32 pm »
It is better to let DIY/ECE organisers know you DNS/DNF'ed an entry, or does that just add to noise in their inbox?

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1233 on: February 18, 2019, 03:24:00 pm »
Yes, better to let us know (that's my view as a DIY Org, anyway). Otherwise I might spend time searching for a track I think I might have mislaid, or emailing riders to check what happened. So the extra "noise" is better than unfathomed silence.

Thanks!

Tony

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1234 on: March 14, 2019, 07:24:26 pm »
Are ACP codes given to events before or after they happen?

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1235 on: March 14, 2019, 08:26:44 pm »
Brevet numbers for riders? After.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1236 on: March 18, 2019, 01:16:48 am »
Do Audax Ireland publish finishers lists anywhere? Has anyone got experience getting one added to their AUK results?

Do I just wait for the brevet card to (hopefully) turn up and give the recorder the ACP number?

frankly frankie

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1237 on: March 18, 2019, 04:00:02 pm »
Or a photo of card with brevet number attached.  A number on its own would have to be checked 'somewhere' - a decent photo would be good enough I think.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1238 on: March 19, 2019, 01:57:25 pm »
So claiming an overseas 200 etc. is just a case of e-mailing the recorder with some sort of proof? What's the e-mail address?

EDIT - Disnae matter. Found the contact form on the website.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1239 on: April 02, 2019, 10:20:57 am »
I've planned a route to ECE the Wigginton Spring 100. Now I've downloaded a gpx of the route and quite a bit of it overlaps with my ECE route. Is this allowed?
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1240 on: April 03, 2019, 01:15:59 am »
I've planned a route to ECE the Wigginton Spring 100. Now I've downloaded a gpx of the route and quite a bit of it overlaps with my ECE route. Is this allowed?
I think it's ok if you are going in the opposite direction. Not so sure if you use the same route the same way twice. Best check with the eve organiser.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1241 on: April 03, 2019, 10:07:58 am »
Depends on the extent of the overlap - I did one a couple of months back with a few km overlap and didn't see the problem, and was validated.

As with most things audax, as long as you don't take the piss, you'll be validated.

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1242 on: April 03, 2019, 10:16:24 am »
Try to minimise the overlap of the same roads used in the same direction. Obviously it may easily be impossible to avoid all overlap as there may only be one route in/out of the control.

If you've got a choice routes that would avoid overlap and not add too much distance (or put you on horrible roads) then try to keep them separate as much as possible.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1243 on: April 03, 2019, 11:12:12 am »
Thanks for the replies. Got it down to approx 10k overlap. Def not taking the piss. I'll just do it and see if it gets validated.
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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1244 on: April 08, 2019, 08:44:26 pm »
So claiming an overseas 200 etc. is just a case of e-mailing the recorder with some sort of proof? What's the e-mail address?

EDIT - Disnae matter. Found the contact form on the website.
Anyone had a ride added recently? Still no sign in my results.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1245 on: May 01, 2019, 10:50:26 pm »
I've noticed that Google Walking mode has an increasing number of mountain passes that are perhaps not the best routing for a DIY Perm.
For example, feed it Pitlochry to Braemar and it'll take you up the Lairg into the Spittal of Glenshee; possibly fine on an MTB or as a Rough Stuff Ride (I don't know) but a ball ache for a DIY Perm as
I'm not really wanting to set an intermediary at Dalrulzion unless absolutely necessary (alternative proof of passage impossible)

Similarly I've just discovered it seems to like the Fungle Road as a route from Braemar to Fetterey when set to walking, aye right I'm doing that on 28mm tyres...

Found this also when routing in the lakes which resulted in me going mandatory routing...

Is this as much a risk to our niché as the ongoing death of cash machines and paper receipts?

Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1246 on: May 02, 2019, 12:55:15 pm »
Found this also when routing in the lakes which resulted in me going mandatory routing...
I can see why this would favour your use of  GPX validation, but that doesn't mean it has to be a mandatory route, just that your GPX file shows you've gone through the control points.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1247 on: May 02, 2019, 04:01:02 pm »
Found this also when routing in the lakes which resulted in me going mandatory routing...
I can see why this would favour your use of  GPX validation, but that doesn't mean it has to be a mandatory route, just that your GPX file shows you've gone through the control points.

When the route over the hill saves 20km between 2 consecutive control points it kind of destroys the suitability of the route for use as a advisory.

When I'm doing designing advisory DIY routes I prefer to allow for GPS failure i.e. there being somewhere to get paper proof.
Also with the eye to possibly offering as Perm or maybe even an event some point in the future.

In the case of the lakes route it was an existing calendar event adapted, I went mandatory to avoid loads of extra controls at locations described as "The sheep on GSV that's standing on a rock between Arseend of nowhere and nowhere"

I did use a waypoint similar on Mull but I'd used GSV to work out what was in the area for photo backup.

mattc

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1248 on: May 02, 2019, 04:13:40 pm »
In the (distant) past, I have submitted DIY routes using a GoogleMaps reference that had extra waypoints to get me off clearly unsuitable roads/tracks. (usually just 1-or-two per ride). I included a clear, polite cover-note!

Obviously this only worked with the cooperation/discretion of the organiser, but it could be worth a try...
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FifeingEejit

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Re: Random audax questions
« Reply #1249 on: May 02, 2019, 04:39:45 pm »
Aye, I'm just concerned this will become a rule with Google walking routing rather than the odd exception;
probably much to the delight of Mountain Rescue... Tey've already picked someone up from Tower ridge on the Ben without any of the approrpiate kit who was a google maps walking route...