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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #875 on: October 20, 2011, 06:52:17 pm »
How do I know which wires to connect, particulary as I don't have the manual/fitting instruction for the thermostat?

Just try them in pairs, until your hair stops smoking...

 ;)

Hmm, well I heard it on the internet, it must be true. *Wanders down stairs with screwdriver*

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #876 on: October 20, 2011, 06:55:42 pm »
How do I know which wires to connect, particulary as I don't have the manual/fitting instruction for the thermostat?

Just try them in pairs, until your hair stops smoking...

 ;)

Hmm, well I heard it on the internet, it must be true. *Wanders down stairs with screwdriver*

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Teehee. I'm not entirely daft (quiet at the back), I should probably just call my grandad but our landline is being rubbish as well. One thing after another at the mo.  ::-)
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #877 on: October 20, 2011, 07:53:01 pm »
How do I know which wires to connect, particulary as I don't have the manual/fitting instruction for the thermostat?

Does it actually have more than two?
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #878 on: October 20, 2011, 07:55:38 pm »
It has three: blue, yellow and red. It's a Honeywell T40 if that's any help?

I could take a photo and pop it up here if you want?
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #879 on: October 20, 2011, 08:06:52 pm »
Cut the red one, it's always the red one.

Except, maybe they thought of that.

Cut the blue one!
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #880 on: October 20, 2011, 08:17:48 pm »
It has three: blue, yellow and red. It's a Honeywell T40 if that's any help?

I could take a photo and pop it up here if you want?

Ah, that'll probably be a live, neutral[1] and a switched wire back to the boiler that goes live when heat is required.  The colours are likely to be at the whim of the installer, though anyone with an ounce of sense[2] will have used the blue for neutral and red for live.

There are probably markings on the stat terminals that would give a clue which is which...


[1] There's probably a small heating element within the stat to reduce the hysteresis of the system that requires power.
[2] Never assume!
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #881 on: October 20, 2011, 08:40:26 pm »
Hmm, there's a little diagram in the back of the cover. Was going to photo it and the 'stat but, of course, my camera battery is dead.

Back in a bit with a drawing.

Tadaa!



Would I be right in thinking I need to connect wires 1 and 3? Or would it be 1 and 2?
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #882 on: October 21, 2011, 02:28:01 am »
There's never a good time for pericoronitis.
and half past two in the morning is even worse.

Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #883 on: October 21, 2011, 06:39:13 am »
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Would I be right in thinking I need to connect wires 1 and 3? Or would it be 1 and 2?
1&3! The other alternative will cause a loud bang as you would be shorting L and N....

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #884 on: October 21, 2011, 01:39:40 pm »
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Would I be right in thinking I need to connect wires 1 and 3? Or would it be 1 and 2?
1&3! The other alternative will cause a loud bang as you would be shorting L and N....

Seconded.  Though it'd probably just blow a fuse somewhere.

Connecting 1 and 3 should make the heating come on.


Similarly, if you have a multimeter, stick it on the continuity/lowest resistance range.  It should display something meaning an approximation of infinity, and then drop to a very close to zero number (and possibly go beep) when you touch the probes together.  Disconnect the wiring from the thermostat and stick the probes on terminals 1 and 3.  As you turn the thermostat up, it should close the circuit.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #885 on: October 21, 2011, 01:48:44 pm »
At entry to a house, there is no neutral - so I don't think your house will blow up if you connect live and neutral (neutral and earth are only separated at the junction box). It should trigger your circuit breakers.

Kim's test is the safe one tho'
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #886 on: October 21, 2011, 01:57:27 pm »
At entry to a house, there is no neutral

Only under the PME system.  TN-S (separate earth and neutral conductors from the transformer) is more common in the UK.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #887 on: October 21, 2011, 02:51:06 pm »
Mother of my son's mate: You told me your son has anger management issues when we had a chat a couple of weeks ago. Do you think, then, that allowing him at 9-y-o to play Call of Duty - Black Ops is going to calm him down? He just tried sneaking it into our house, but he'll never make a sneak thief. I'll allow a little discrepancy, but not that much!
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #888 on: October 21, 2011, 07:50:45 pm »
Thanks for all the advice regarding thermostat and multimeterage.

However I have discovered it's not the thermostat. Before I got round to poking wires I had another look at the 3 way valve doofer in the airing cupboard, found a little lever hidden round the backside. Had a choice between auto (which it was on) and manual.

Had a lot of play around auto but very stiff moving to manual. Could feel something moving so forced it round (gently) and it seems to be working. Lots of play in both direction with the lever so not sure if it's doing naything but we have heat.

Of course I may have just stuck the valve on heating now so will see if we have hot water in the morning. Gonna have to get a man in to service the boiler/gas fire I think but at least it's not as urgent now.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #889 on: October 21, 2011, 09:40:05 pm »
Fecking low-energy bulb in my dining room lamp.

It would take less time and provide more light if I constructed a bloody candle out of earwax and hair.

You are in a maze of twisty flat droves, all alike.

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #890 on: October 22, 2011, 09:42:38 pm »
My head has been aching a little for over a day now and I'm feeling mildly crap - not enough to be off to bed, but enough that I didn't go for a ride in the sun earlier. Meh.

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #891 on: October 22, 2011, 09:49:09 pm »
I dispair for the human race. We seem to be getting more stupid :-(

Today in central London I saw a man pushing a pram along. Attached to the handle of the pram (on one side) was a thing much like a tag-along, wheel, seat & bars. With a small child riding on it.

Wearing a fucking helmet.
Our son does know who Boz Scaggs is, we've done ok as parents.

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #892 on: October 23, 2011, 12:48:56 pm »
The 1130 from St Pancrap to Derby onna Sunday takes two anna half hours.  Stopping at every lamppost on the way, except, strangely, Loughborough.

What, pray, is the point in stopping at BOTH Luton Airport Parkway (for some 12 minutes) AND Luton?

Now at Kettering.  And the trolley has run out of sandwiches.  How can things get any worse?
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #893 on: October 23, 2011, 01:05:27 pm »
The 1130 from St Pancrap to Derby onna Sunday takes two anna half hours.  Stopping at every lamppost on the way, except, strangely, Loughborough.

What, pray, is the point in stopping at BOTH Luton Airport Parkway (for some 12 minutes) AND Luton?

Now at Kettering.  And the trolley has run out of sandwiches.  How can things get any worse?

The WiFi, for which East Midlands Trains charges £4 a pop fails, and the bog blocks/floods/runs out of water.

I have made 4 journeys on east Midlands Trains since 1/10/2011.
There was no trolley at all on one trip.
There were no sandwiches on one trolley.
The bog failed on my return from Derby on 13/10/2011...

rower40

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #894 on: October 23, 2011, 01:14:13 pm »
The WiFi, for which East Midlands Trains charges £4 a pop fails, and the bog blocks/floods/runs out of water.

I have made 4 journeys on east Midlands Trains since 1/10/2011.
There was no trolley at all on one trip.
There were no sandwiches on one trolley.
The bog failed on my return from Derby on 13/10/2011...
Wi-fi (free to those of us in Leather class) is working fine.  "Hotel California" has just come on my MP3 player.  I'm clenching to avoid use of the bog.  All is good.
(Except we're now parked on a steeply canted curve at South Wigston Junction, waiting 10 mins for our slot into Leicester.  And the free coffee in Leather Class tastes of, well, nothing.)
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #895 on: October 23, 2011, 01:19:50 pm »
You can check out any time, but you can never leave?

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #896 on: October 23, 2011, 08:31:42 pm »
Headwind - can you please go and play somewhere else for a bit? Two days straight in my face is enough, you really don't need to keep up all next week as well
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #897 on: October 24, 2011, 12:08:29 pm »
Pedalling to go downhill this morning was Not Fun (tm).
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #898 on: October 24, 2011, 01:55:30 pm »
Stupid shitty e-mail spam- and virus-filtering thing - if I add a domain to my shit-list, don't quarantine messages from that domain, just delete them.  You were clearly devised by a massive bastard.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #899 on: October 24, 2011, 10:38:07 pm »
I've been eaten by beasties.  Probably in That Suffolk.  I'm covered in itchy welts, which wasn't conducive to pleasant train travel earlier.

Pass the piriton...
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...