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Martin

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1875 on: August 13, 2019, 12:51:27 am »
Don't dismiss ECEing a 100 up to 200.  Ride to the event, do the event with company, ride home. There's a 100 from Witham in December.

+1 to that; there's a real incentive in having to be somewhere at a certain time with the added draw of TLC, and once you are there it all just happens

SoBWW has been my December 200 for a couple of years it's a great event

and also perms as 3peaker says; great route BTW  :thumbsup:

Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1876 on: August 13, 2019, 09:30:52 am »
Half the fun of RRTY is getting yourself to calendar events you wouldn’t otherwise bother with. Doing it all with DIYs - presumably solo - at the beginning of the month sounds boring AF.

quixoticgeek

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1877 on: August 13, 2019, 10:54:57 am »

Yes, but for some it's the only way.

For me the start of month DIY was always a banker just in case.

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bludger

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1878 on: August 13, 2019, 10:57:23 am »
I have a kind of question - say I did the 500 in December. Could I set up a DIY 200 that is the first half of that ride? So that if I dnf the full 500 after halfway I still have done a 200.

Not really in the full spirit of audax but if push came to shove could that get me a December rrty tick?

The problem I can think of is that it would look like I'd done both a 200 and a 500 if I validated both rides. So I suppose the solution would to be only to validate the 500 if I complete the ride.
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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1879 on: August 13, 2019, 10:59:18 am »
Half the fun of RRTY is getting yourself to calendar events you wouldn’t otherwise bother with. Doing it all with DIYs - presumably solo - at the beginning of the month sounds boring AF.

There are ways to make it less boring - riding with friends, taking a train to a new area, riding whilst on holiday but you definiteley don't get the social aspects of a calendar event.

On the other hand, they're so convenient. For instance, there are no calendar events within a hundred miles of me during August so DIY is the best option for keeping RRtY going.
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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1880 on: August 13, 2019, 11:02:46 am »
I have a kind of question - say I did the 500 in December. Could I set up a DIY 200 that is the first half of that ride? So that if I dnf the full 500 after halfway I still have done a

No. You have to state a single aim before you set off.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1881 on: August 13, 2019, 11:38:40 am »
I've got a plot in motion for an interesting set of DIYs for RRTY
(North Western European) Island RRTY (excluding GB and Ireland) I've currently got 200, 300 and 400s across 8 islands

200s
Isle of man: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818550 - Coast loop plus Mountain circuit
Islay: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818420
Mull: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818381
Uist chain: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818360
Arran: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28558736
Orkney: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30060865

300s
Skye: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818374
Harris and Lewis: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818348
Shetland Mainland: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30831111

400: - Needs ferries added to get the dsitance
Shetland: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30060977

600:
Western Isles: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30831165
There's 54km on ferries that don't count there, so having to stretch it a bit.

All are only doable at present as mandatory route by GPS, and I haven't optimized the wiggles to suit ferry times or starting locations (e.g. if you start at castlebay you probably want to do the fastest route to the ferries then use the slowest routes back)

bhoot

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1882 on: August 13, 2019, 12:47:11 pm »
I've got a plot in motion for an interesting set of DIYs for RRTY
(North Western European) Island RRTY (excluding GB and Ireland) I've currently got 200, 300 and 400s across 8 islands

200s
Isle of man: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818550 - Coast loop plus Mountain circuit
Islay: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818420
Mull: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818381
Uist chain: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818360
Arran: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28558736
Orkney: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30060865


We did a version of your Uists route as a DIY - but started on Berneray as were staying with a friend there, so didn't need to go to Lochboisdale or onto Eriskay (we turned at South Kilbride cafe), but we put a small extra diversion in to Balranald, and also to the cafe at Hebridean Jewellery at the north end of South Uist. Great ride, unusually with a northerly wind so a bit of a headwind on the return.

S2L

Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1883 on: August 13, 2019, 12:50:19 pm »
I have a kind of question - say I did the 500 in December. Could I set up a DIY 200 that is the first half of that ride? So that if I dnf the full 500 after halfway I still have done a 200.

Not really in the full spirit of audax but if push came to shove could that get me a December rrty tick?

The problem I can think of is that it would look like I'd done both a 200 and a 500 if I validated both rides. So I suppose the solution would to be only to validate the 500 if I complete the ride.

No you can't. You can have a validated ride + a DNS, but you can't have a validated ride + a DNF on the same day. If you start the 500, you have to finish the 500 or get nothing

bludger

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1884 on: August 13, 2019, 12:52:04 pm »
Sound. I knew that wasn't really an in the spirit of things kind of antic to pull anyway tbh.
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S2L

Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1885 on: August 13, 2019, 12:52:41 pm »
Half the fun of RRTY is getting yourself to calendar events you wouldn’t otherwise bother with. Doing it all with DIYs - presumably solo - at the beginning of the month sounds boring AF.

Boring but effective. I suspect without DIY, there wouldn't be many completing RRTY.
I would be in favour of having a 50% rule, same as for championship points... to get an RRTY validated, at least 6 calendar events needed... that would be reasonable

FifeingEejit

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1886 on: August 13, 2019, 12:56:49 pm »
I've got a plot in motion for an interesting set of DIYs for RRTY
(North Western European) Island RRTY (excluding GB and Ireland) I've currently got 200, 300 and 400s across 8 islands

200s
Isle of man: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818550 - Coast loop plus Mountain circuit
Islay: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818420
Mull: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818381
Uist chain: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30818360
Arran: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28558736
Orkney: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30060865


We did a version of your Uists route as a DIY - but started on Berneray as were staying with a friend there, so didn't need to go to Lochboisdale or onto Eriskay (we turned at South Kilbride cafe), but we put a small extra diversion in to Balranald, and also to the cafe at Hebridean Jewellery at the north end of South Uist. Great ride, unusually with a northerly wind so a bit of a headwind on the return.

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily do it as plotted, there's enough scope to adapt to suit, it all depends on which ferry you arrive on and where you are staying; I rather like the ferry from Mallaig to Lochboisdale but also Gatlif hostel on Berneray which creates an issue!

huggy

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1887 on: August 13, 2019, 01:45:10 pm »
Don't dismiss ECEing a 100 up to 200.  Ride to the event, do the event with company, ride home. There's a 100 from Witham in December.
There's a whole winter series (Nov to Feb) of 100km rides starting at an ECE friendly 10am from Witham or Kelvedon, there's even a badge for completing them all in a 2 year rolling period!  This page needs updating for 2019/20 but you get the idea; 3 of the 4 are in the AUK calendar already.
We've certainly kept Martin busy with ECE validations over the last 3 winters.

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FifeingEejit

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1888 on: August 13, 2019, 02:36:36 pm »
The problem with the company on ECE'ed 100s is they are often taking advantage of the more relaxed average speed required of them.

Martin

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1889 on: August 13, 2019, 11:07:42 pm »
The problem with the company on ECE'ed 100s is they are often taking advantage of the more relaxed average speed required of them.

sorry don't understand; if you ECE a 100 you can have the full time allowance (which may be 10kph) of the calendar event but have to pay this back with faster ECE legs to bring the overall average to 14.3kph min.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1890 on: August 14, 2019, 12:34:41 am »
The problem with the company on ECE'ed 100s is they are often taking advantage of the more relaxed average speed required of them.

sorry don't understand; if you ECE a 100 you can have the full time allowance (which may be 10kph) of the calendar event but have to pay this back with faster ECE legs to bring the overall average to 14.3kph min.

Yes so:
If you ride 100km at 10kmh you have ~4 hours to do the remaining 100km ECE
If you ride a 160km at 10kmh then you need a tardis to complete the remaining 40 or 50km of the 200km in the previous 2 hours.

They are both assuming ECE from the event (which is what I tend to do)
Realistically the problem is psychological as very few people set out to do a 100 or 160 at 10kmh, and often the minimum is set at 12 or 14kmh, but feeling you have a tighter time limit to adhere to does have an impact on your perception of waiting time in a queue or café.


S2L

Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1891 on: August 14, 2019, 06:50:14 am »


Yes so:
If you ride 100km at 10kmh you have ~4 hours to do the remaining 100km ECE
If you ride a 160km at 10kmh then you need a tardis to complete the remaining 40 or 50km of the 200km in the previous 2 hours.

They are both assuming ECE from the event (which is what I tend to do)
Realistically the problem is psychological as very few people set out to do a 100 or 160 at 10kmh, and often the minimum is set at 12 or 14kmh, but feeling you have a tighter time limit to adhere to does have an impact on your perception of waiting time in a queue or café.

realistically your scenarios don't exist, because those who ECE a BP know that they have to stay within the time limits for a BR overall

quixoticgeek

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1892 on: August 14, 2019, 11:56:22 am »

realistically your scenarios don't exist, because those who ECE a BP know that they have to stay within the time limits for a BR overall

The actual issue I believe is that if you are ECEing the 100, and you end up riding with a nice bunch, chatting etc... but they aren't eceing, they are just doing the 100, then you have a conflict of interest "Nah, we got plenty of time" "I need to be faster"

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1893 on: August 14, 2019, 01:01:18 pm »

realistically your scenarios don't exist, because those who ECE a BP know that they have to stay within the time limits for a BR overall

The actual issue I believe is that if you are ECEing the 100, and you end up riding with a nice bunch, chatting etc... but they aren't eceing, they are just doing the 100, then you have a conflict of interest "Nah, we got plenty of time" "I need to be faster"

J

ECE is what it is... it's not compulsory and if people prefer to have a chat and a long tea break, maybe they should not ECE and drive to the start instead, as most do, or cycle to the start without claiming points for it

quixoticgeek

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1894 on: August 14, 2019, 01:45:07 pm »
ECE is what it is... it's not compulsory and if people prefer to have a chat and a long tea break, maybe they should not ECE and drive to the start instead, as most do, or cycle to the start without claiming points for it

Well doesn't that piss on someones bonfire...

J
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FifeingEejit

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1895 on: August 14, 2019, 03:51:47 pm »

realistically your scenarios don't exist, because those who ECE a BP know that they have to stay within the time limits for a BR overall

The actual issue I believe is that if you are ECEing the 100, and you end up riding with a nice bunch, chatting etc... but they aren't eceing, they are just doing the 100, then you have a conflict of interest "Nah, we got plenty of time" "I need to be faster"

J

ECE is what it is... it's not compulsory and if people prefer to have a chat and a long tea break, maybe they should not ECE and drive to the start instead, as most do, or cycle to the start without claiming points for it

Phil W's original mention of ECEs was that you get the avantage of company on the calendar event part;
My point was that, that company are working to a different overall time schedule.

Of the 2 rides I've ECE'ed, the first I was the only ECEer, and the rest were just out for a pootle in the rain.
I had to dingy any chance of company on the road, and in the café my time schedule difference was clear to see as I bounced the café.

The second time was the Tour of East Lothian after spending the previous day fighting into a brisk head wind (I had to ride very far west to go east...), I was slow, I was with the slower riders most of the day; I only got 20 mins at the finish before battering on while everyone else sat around and gabbed, as even though I knew it was an easy spin home and the wind was behind, I was getting close to the theoretical BR time limit of the BP and couldn't work on the basis that I'd pick up lots of time... As it turned out I did.

It certainly changes my experience of the more relaxed event to the point where the company that Phil W referred to, was lost on both occasions because my time schedule was overall different.

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Martin

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1896 on: August 14, 2019, 05:34:06 pm »


Yes so:
If you ride 100km at 10kmh you have ~4 hours to do the remaining 100km ECE
If you ride a 160km at 10kmh then you need a tardis to complete the remaining 40 or 50km of the 200km in the previous 2 hours.

They are both assuming ECE from the event (which is what I tend to do)
Realistically the problem is psychological as very few people set out to do a 100 or 160 at 10kmh, and often the minimum is set at 12 or 14kmh, but feeling you have a tighter time limit to adhere to does have an impact on your perception of waiting time in a queue or café.

realistically your scenarios don't exist, because those who ECE a BP know that they have to stay within the time limits for a BR overall

and also all riders ECE or not respect the start / finish times of the event


Using the natty Excel Calendar download here are the min speed of the BPs remaining in the calendar

                   10   12   12.5   13   13.5   14   14.3   15   Grand Total

Grand Total        9   27   37   1   6   2   2   30   115


AAA BPs often have slower minimums,  mine are always 12.5kph. When i took my first one over it was 10 but I found the only riders who needed that time to complete had stopped at every cafe en route (not part of the event) so I upped it in order to reduce the time helpers were hanging around at controls.

So generally you're only looking at a small difference between the minimum speed, I don't think many ECE riders deliberately go slow round the calendar so as to add a bit of frisson to the return ECE leg. I certainly don't, i want to finish the overall ride in as much daylight as possible.

S2L

Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1897 on: August 15, 2019, 11:20:41 am »


Phil W's original mention of ECEs was that you get the avantage of company on the calendar event part;
My point was that, that company are working to a different overall time schedule.

Of the 2 rides I've ECE'ed, the first I was the only ECEer, and the rest were just out for a pootle in the rain.
I had to dingy any chance of company on the road, and in the café my time schedule difference was clear to see as I bounced the café.

The second time was the Tour of East Lothian after spending the previous day fighting into a brisk head wind (I had to ride very far west to go east...), I was slow, I was with the slower riders most of the day; I only got 20 mins at the finish before battering on while everyone else sat around and gabbed, as even though I knew it was an easy spin home and the wind was behind, I was getting close to the theoretical BR time limit of the BP and couldn't work on the basis that I'd pick up lots of time... As it turned out I did.

It certainly changes my experience of the more relaxed event to the point where the company that Phil W referred to, was lost on both occasions because my time schedule was overall different.

Y E/M MV

Guess you'll have to make a choice between enjoying the company of the full value brigade or doing an ECE... it's clearly not possible to do both within the rules

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1898 on: August 25, 2019, 10:29:09 pm »
Done for RRtY10
23 Feb 2019 Chiltern Grit 200 fixed
17 Mar Gently Bentley 200 fixed
20 Apr Double Dutch 200 tandem
18 May Bryan Chapman Memorial 600 tandem
09 Jun Herts High Five 200 trike
26 Jul Overnight DIY by GPS 200 fixed
18 Aug Paris-Brest-Paris 1200 tandem

Planned
14 Sep Straight Outta Hackney 200 Frezoni
05 Oct Richard Ellis Memorial 200 trike
02 Nov Upper Thames 200 trike
07 Dec South of Bucks Winter Warmer 200 trike
04 Jan Poor Student 200 trike
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Re: Round The Year Randonneurs Log
« Reply #1899 on: August 26, 2019, 08:44:01 am »
Packing at PBP and some issues with a violent thunderstorm during my DIY 200 resulted in no results for august, so my series ends at 33 months.