Author Topic: Milan San-Remo 2012  (Read 6453 times)

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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2012, 04:56:36 pm »
It's not biconditional:

Odds on implies favourite
Favourite does not imply odds on.

Except in [mainly] one on one contests like boxing or football. Or in the land of Flatus where apparently arithmetic works differently from the rest of the world.

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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2012, 05:06:45 pm »
i don't understand all these numbers, but I still think he's a jolly good Trialist  (and rode jolly well in the Olympic Road Race - as I may have mentioned earlier)
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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2012, 05:09:01 pm »
It's not biconditional:

Odds on implies favourite
Favourite does not imply odds on.

Except in [mainly] one on one contests like boxing or football. Or in the land of Flatus where apparently arithmetic works differently from the rest of the world.

Funny that. I'm almost sure I haven't used the word favourite even once in this thread.

Don't let that stop you though...

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2012, 05:10:53 pm »
i don't understand all these numbers, but I still think he's a jolly good Trialist  (and rode jolly well in the Olympic Road Race - as I may have mentioned earlier)

Best in the world, mate, but that doesn't stop him being one of the top One Day Classic riders too  ;)


Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2012, 05:14:08 pm »
i don't understand all these numbers, but I still think he's a jolly good Trialist  (and rode jolly well in the Olympic Road Race - as I may have mentioned earlier)

Best in the world, mate, but that doesn't stop him being one of the top One Day Classic riders too  ;)

Isn't that because of the little engine he has in the bottom bracket?

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2012, 05:29:07 pm »
Cancellara's plans were known. http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/532084/cancellara-plans-to-upset-san-remo-sprint.html
Gerrans was there to police that break, so there was no reason for him to work. Cancellara has to avoid a bunch sprint to win, which he can often achieve.

plum

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2012, 05:47:42 pm »
It's not biconditional:

Odds on implies favourite
Favourite does not imply odds on.

Except in [mainly] one on one contests like boxing or football. Or in the land of Flatus where apparently arithmetic works differently from the rest of the world.

Funny that. I'm almost sure I haven't used the word favourite even once in this thread.

Don't let that stop you though...

Never said you did, I was replying to GruB's post. Carry on.

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2012, 06:43:56 pm »
i don't understand all these numbers, but I still think he's a jolly good Trialist  (and rode jolly well in the Olympic Road Race - as I may have mentioned earlier)

Best in the world, mate, but that doesn't stop him being one of the top One Day Classic riders too  ;)

Isn't that because of the little engine he has in the bottom bracket?

Now don't bring that into it. That would make him a favourite, and plum will bust a blood vessel.

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2012, 07:03:24 pm »
Odds on implies favourite
Favourite does not imply odds on.
Except in [mainly] one on one contests like boxing or football. Or in the land of Flatus where apparently arithmetic works differently from the rest of the world.
Bookmaker odds are not probability.
In probability, the odds add up to one, in bookmaker terms, they add up to (one plus tax plus profit).
So, for a bookmaker, there's no problem in having two runners both at odds on

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2012, 07:14:27 pm »
Errrr...before this descends any further, let's just remind ourselves that the preceding 3 pages are a result of plum's inability to differentiate between the literal and the figurative.  Note that even mattc recognises this and is eschewing the literal even though it would grant him a rare, albeit Phyrric, victory against arch enemy Flatus

 ;D

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2012, 07:24:35 pm »
Cripes.  I had to go to Wikipedia for that one.  Don't think I will ever get an opportunity to use it either.

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2012, 07:27:46 pm »
Try it out on the wife  ;D

Looking back, I think it might have been my bluntness and casual use of abusive language to mattc that incited plum. But then he doesn't know that I'm Australian.

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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2012, 07:45:20 pm »
An appetite whetter - the 1992 finale. Kelly's last hurrah, toe-clips and all.  You may want to turn the sound off if you can't stand Duffers. 
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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2012, 07:49:22 pm »
Errrr...before this descends any further, let's just remind ourselves that the preceding 3 pages are a result of plum's inability to differentiate between the literal and the figurative.  Note that even mattc recognises this and is eschewing the literal even though it would grant him a rare, albeit Phyrric, victory against arch enemy Flatus
It's not all about winning - it's how one plays the game.
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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2012, 08:03:23 pm »

It's not all about winning - it's how one plays the game.

Not if you are a professional.
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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2012, 08:20:50 pm »
Bookmaker odds are not probability.
In probability, the odds add up to one, in bookmaker terms, they add up to (one plus tax plus profit).
So, for a bookmaker, there's no problem in having two runners both at odds on
Which is why I said implies rather than equals.

Looking back, I think it might have been my bluntness and casual use of abusive language to mattc that incited plum.
It was, but I've never seen it as more than a harmless bit of trolling. It's a quiet Sunday and I've had to spend the day sitting doing some marking.

Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2012, 08:24:43 pm »
This is why Australians really enjoy to win.

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Re: Milan San-Remo 2012
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2012, 08:25:27 am »

It's not all about winning - it's how one plays the game.

Not if you are a professional.
I sincerely hope you're not suggesting Flatus is professional.  :o
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