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British Team for the World Champs announced
« on: September 14, 2012, 11:46:53 am »
Elite Men - Road Race: Cavendish, Cummings, Dowsett, Froome, Rowe, Stannard, Swift, Tiernan-Locke, and Wiggins
Elite Women - Road Race: Armitstead, Colclough, Cooke, Harris, Laws, and Pooley

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/gbr20120914-gb-cyclingteam-news-British-Cycling-confirms-team-for-UCI-Road-World-Championships-0

citoyen

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 11:58:30 am »
Should be good. I can't see another Brit win, though JTL is getting lots of backing...

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 09:11:37 am »
Should be good. I can't see another Brit win

[Diliberate misinterpretation] Win for Elinor Barker in the Junior Women's TT. [/deliberate misinterpretation].  You have to look quite hard for the news though.

jogler

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 09:47:19 am »
Froome has withdrawn from the TT

Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 11:00:12 am »
But a "HUTCHINSON Michael" is riding for IRL.

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 12:44:16 pm »
Live coverage of the mens ITT is about to start on cyclingnews:

http://live.cyclingnews.com/

Will be rooting for Dr Hutch even if he is Irish  ;)
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citoyen

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 02:18:01 pm »
Should be good. I can't see another Brit win

[Diliberate misinterpretation] Win for Elinor Barker in the Junior Women's TT. [/deliberate misinterpretation].  You have to look quite hard for the news though.

Fair point. Cracking ride by Elinor Barker.

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 04:31:39 pm »
Will be rooting for Dr Hutch even if he is Irish  ;)
46th at 5m23s

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 04:33:42 pm »
Live coverage of the mens ITT is about to start on cyclingnews:

http://live.cyclingnews.com/

Will be rooting for Dr Hutch even if he is Irish  ;)

Shame he only managed 46.

Alex Dowsett came 8th.  That should make up for the Doc beating him by 8 seconds in the Nat. 25!

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 04:44:15 pm »
Bad day for Hutch?  Or very high standard on the day?
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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 07:16:49 pm »
Bad day for Hutch?  Or very high standard on the day?

I'd say the latter, plus a tough parcours - World Championship TT courses aren't necessarily going to be like the stereotypical British TT course. With all respect to Hutch, he's a big fish in the UK's domestic TT pond, but a look at Stuart Dangerfield's results at the Worlds shows that domestic TT success was no guarantee of doing well when going up against the pros(see below).

1998: Chris Boardman 11th @ +1'.50", Stuart Dangerfield 28th @ +3'44"

1999: Chris Boardman 3rd @ +0'58.66", Chris Newton 44th @ +5'30.94"

2000: Chris Boardman 4rd @ +1'16.33", Stuart Dangerfield 25th @ +4'30.14"

2001: David Millar 2nd @ +0'6.30", Stuart Dangerfield 43rd @ +5'21.58"

2002: David Millar 6th @ +0'35.32", Stuart Dangerfield 26th @ +2'17.89"

2003: David Millar was the only British entrant for the men's TT, which he won - DQ'd after admitting to doping

2005 : Bradley Wiggins 7th @ +1'31.60"

2006: David Millar 15th @ +3'21.99"

2007: Bradley Wiggins 10th @ +2'10.8", David Millar 18th @ +2'40.1"

2008: David Millar 9th @+1'25.26", Stephen Cummings 25th @ +2'.54.97"

2009: Christopher Froome 17th @ +04'34.55", Bradley Wiggins 20th @ +04'50.39"

2010: David Millar 2nd @ +1'02.75"

2011: Bradley Wiggins 2nd @ +1'15.83", David Millar 7th @ +2'45.62"

2012: Alex Dowsett 8th @ +2'26.06", Michael Hutchinson (Ireland) 46th @ +5'22.86"

Obviously, cherry-picking results with time gaps back to the winner doesn't give anywhere near the full picture (who was riding, weather, parcours etc), but a stroll through the links shows just how good Michael Rogers, Fabian Cancellara and Tony Martin have been in recent years.
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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 07:37:10 pm »
I've got vague recollections that he's come 4th in 2 Commonwealth Games. Seems to be about his natural level.
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spesh

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 08:09:00 pm »
I've got vague recollections that he's come 4th in 2 Commonwealth Games. Seems to be about his natural level.
[I've no doubt this will be picked apart corrected in milliseconds!]

You're correct, he got 4th at the last two Commonwealth Games, though given that the Septics and the continental European riders aren't there, it's hard to judge from those two events. He was 2'14.24" behind David Millar in Delhi, and 1'19.42" on Alex Dowsett, on a course that was akin to a typical British dual-carriageway.

At the 2006 CG men's TT in Melbourne, Hutch finished 1'28.07" behind Nathan O'Neill (Australia). He was around 40 seconds up on the best-placed English rider, which was Dangerfield.

It's worth reading Hutch's Twitter feed; going by his comments, it sounds like it was a pretty tough course.

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 09:05:46 pm »
It was a winding and lumpy course. There are easier, more time-trial specific roads in the area but they were left aside. Even the main road between Margraten and Cadier&Keer which featured last times course was replaced by narrow and winding lanes running in the same direction. Indeed a very demanding course. Lot's of lumpy sections not classified as hills. And the Cauberg at the end, this hill caused both the Rabobank and the BMC teams to explode during the TTT.

jogler

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2012, 06:21:10 pm »
Lizzie Armistead is not riding in Saturday's road race.

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2012, 06:38:36 pm »
Do NOT tell Lizzie Armitstead that!
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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 06:58:11 pm »
Bad day for Hutch?  Or very high standard on the day?

I'd say a high standard on the day, but also that rolling up and down a dual carriageway (with a helpful profile as per the Welsh course Hutch broke Competition Record on) is very specific, and doesn't translate well into riding what I would call "proper" courses that are found everywhere else in the world.

There's a good case to be made for sending roadmen/women to ride UCI timetrials. Apart from Boardman (who was a good road rider with excellent palmares of course) UK time triallists have never done well in continental timetrials for many years.

PS wouldn't it be interesting to see what Tony Martin etc could do on a float day on the (enter your course code here)!

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 07:07:06 pm »
It would be interesting to see what a continental pro would have to say about mixing it with the traffic on a dual-carriageway course.
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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2012, 07:18:57 pm »
Just compare the stretch around the crash of Pinotti with a typical British timetrial course.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ji9WaG_BKH8&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ji9WaG_BKH8&rel=1</a>

spesh

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 04:35:04 pm »
Marginal gains, Dutch-style: http://inrng.com/2012/09/the-matrix/

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With race radios banned for the worlds, the Dutch will use telecoms and roadside matrix display boards to give unique tactical advice to their riders.
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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 04:50:27 pm »
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/uci-road-world-championships-2012/junior-women-road-race/results

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 04:53:26 pm »
Marginal gains, Dutch-style: http://inrng.com/2012/09/the-matrix/

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With race radios banned for the worlds, the Dutch will use telecoms and roadside matrix display boards to give unique tactical advice to their riders.

Today I've spotted a Swiss assistant using classic Formula 1 style tables to inform the junior ladies. No code used by them, not even Swytzerd├╝tsch.

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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 10:17:34 pm »
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Re: British Team for the World Champs announced
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2012, 02:19:45 pm »
Huge crash in womens road race.
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