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FifeingEejit

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #525 on: March 07, 2019, 11:01:37 pm »
Hum. Someone from the Beeb's pronunciation unit once said in an interview that if newsreaders had pronounced Khrushchev properly nobody would have recognized it.

Murray Walker offered the same excuse when picked up on his pronunciation of Ayrton Senna by the man himself - ie it's not that he didn't know the correct pronunciation, just that the viewing audience would have balked at it.
I remember the variability in commentary from muddly on that front, the story I read was that Ayrton asked him why he'd changed from saying it right to saying it wrong.

Correct pronunciation is Aye-aeton iirc




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FifeingEejit

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #526 on: March 07, 2019, 11:05:59 pm »
It's time to go Bach to basics.
I think my campaign to dispose SSE adoptions of Scots words of the imposter z is doomed to failure, it took me ages to find the yough in character map.

And I've still not found out how Shetland swapped a yough (Hjatland to Zetland*) for a sh.

*im on my phone there's no yough symbol at all...

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #527 on: March 07, 2019, 11:20:25 pm »
It's time to go Bach to basics.
I think my campaign to dispose SSE adoptions of Scots words of the imposter z is doomed to failure, it took me ages to find the yough in character map.

And I've still not found out how Shetland swapped a yough (Hjatland to Zetland*) for a sh.

*im on my phone there's no yough symbol at all...

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Maybe it evolved via/like the Swedish 'sj'

FifeingEejit

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #528 on: March 07, 2019, 11:39:19 pm »
It's time to go Bach to basics.
I think my campaign to dispose SSE adoptions of Scots words of the imposter z is doomed to failure, it took me ages to find the yough in character map.

And I've still not found out how Shetland swapped a yough (Hjatland to Zetland*) for a sh.

*im on my phone there's no yough symbol at all...

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Maybe it evolved via/like the Swedish 'sj'
Hm, seems Zetland was named Zetland in 1931 as the common corruption of yetland,  (where I've substituted a y for a yough) but for the 1970s reorganisation everything else was Sh, but that's all I've found.

Can't think of any examples where the yough corruption has gone to anything other than a zed or a stop,
Stop: Menzies,
Zed: lenzie, Edzell, macenzie

The yough should be  like in Göteborg

Sh is a common corruption of Th in East central Scotland, e.G.  Fifers count wan, too, shree

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #529 on: March 07, 2019, 11:48:39 pm »
There is a Zetland Road in Bristol. I think it was built around 1900, maybe a bit earlier. Pronounced as spelled. That is all I have to say for now.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #530 on: March 08, 2019, 01:28:23 pm »
It's time to go Bach to basics.

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hellymedic

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #531 on: March 08, 2019, 04:17:45 pm »
There's a Zetland Road besides Doncaster Royal Infirmary.

I worked in Shetland 30 years ago and can't remember anyone pronouncing 'Shetland' differently. I liked the dialect.

ZE postcodes were memorable.

Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #532 on: April 05, 2019, 06:13:14 pm »
so this morning Nick Robinson on the Today prog was reading something out about the bow of a boat. The bow, rhyming with toe!
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #533 on: April 05, 2019, 07:48:53 pm »
Correct pronunciation for a bow tie or part of an archer's weapon; they'll expect to pronounce a deferential lowering of the head that way soon...

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #534 on: April 18, 2019, 12:38:51 pm »
People who put a "y" into "Cool"- mainly weather presenters.

"Kyool" is how I'd probably spell their version of it.

"getting Kyooler toward the weekend" etc ...
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #535 on: April 24, 2019, 04:13:08 pm »
Jacinda Ardern pronouncing the name of our beloved Prez as if he were from Norn Iron: Emmanyuel McRon. But the NZ eccint is weird anyway.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #536 on: April 24, 2019, 04:57:17 pm »
Lifetime beetroot consumption will do that.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #538 on: May 06, 2019, 11:18:43 am »
Sivin pingwins ix  :)

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #539 on: May 27, 2019, 05:12:12 pm »
What if English pronunciation were phonetically consistent?

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #540 on: May 27, 2019, 05:19:17 pm »
Yesterday, at a mid-ride cafe, I overheard someone talking about Waitrose Duchy Organics range, with the second word pronounced "doochy". And a couple of days ago someone was having a loud phone conversation with a taxi driver who seemed to be refusing to come and pick them up from Pedro's Bridge – not unreasonably, because there is no such place (it's actually Pero's Bridge and once that had been cleared up, it's still not a reasonable taxi pick up spot because it's a footbridge with no vehicular access at either end) – so they settled on "Broad Kway". And why on earth is that word spelled with a Q?
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #541 on: May 27, 2019, 11:22:12 pm »
French origin I think.

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #542 on: May 28, 2019, 08:48:53 am »
Yup, it's quai in French but apparently (Chambers) that was originally kay. The Académie Française seems to have taken a scunner against the letter K in the 17th century, with the wonderful result that in many classical names they transliterate kappa as a C and pronounce it S, e.g in Alcibiades.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #543 on: May 28, 2019, 11:32:18 am »
Hence Florida Keys. Maybe, I'm just guessing.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #544 on: May 28, 2019, 12:50:54 pm »
They have Keys and Cays in that part of the world.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #545 on: May 28, 2019, 02:39:11 pm »
Keys of coke are what I heard
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #546 on: June 01, 2019, 10:26:18 am »
There was a BBC4 programme on the other day about Neanderthals. There were loads of academics and scientists in the programme and they all said "Neandertal" ie no "TH" sound and which how I've always heard it said, but the presenter kept on saying it as NeanderTHal!

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #547 on: June 01, 2019, 12:03:34 pm »
The presenter is some kind of NeanderAustralopithecus.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #548 on: June 01, 2019, 12:15:55 pm »
There was a BBC4 programme on the other day about Neanderthals. There were loads of academics and scientists in the programme and they all said "Neandertal" ie no "TH" sound and which how I've always heard it said, but the presenter kept on saying it as NeanderTHal!

It probably helps if you know that thal is German for valley. There are a lot of words like that where the obvious etymology informs the pronunciation.

Although you do have to be wary of being caught out - the obvious etymology isn't always the correct etymology...

Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #549 on: June 01, 2019, 12:20:51 pm »
The presenter is some kind of NeanderAustralopithecus.

That's easy for you to say.   ;D
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