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Mr Larrington

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #700 on: October 26, 2020, 05:24:58 pm »
USAnians pronounce a certain South Korean car manufacturer as “Hunday”.  Rhymes with the day after Saturday.  I wot not whether this is closer to the original Korean but it still grates.  As do “Marzda” and “Neesan” for a couple of their Japanese rivals.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #701 on: October 26, 2020, 05:28:29 pm »
IIRC it's "Hunday" in India too. Have a fun day in your high and dry!
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hellymedic

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #702 on: October 30, 2020, 12:27:06 am »
We own a malfunctioning Kärcher floor sweeper that D has taken to the Service Centre a few miles away.

I phoned to ask about progress of the repair.

Their answering machine pronounces the brand as 'Carcher'.

I know that's fair enough for we monoglot Brits but it still grates...

T42

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #703 on: October 30, 2020, 08:52:54 am »
Herbs pronounced urbs "because it's French". Why pronounce the S, then, knothead?
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nicknack

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #704 on: October 30, 2020, 08:54:26 am »
Herbs pronounced urbs "because it's French". Why pronounce the S, then, knothead?
'otel also.
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T42

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #705 on: October 30, 2020, 11:13:48 am »
Herbs pronounced urbs "because it's French". Why pronounce the S, then, knothead?
'otel also.

That's just people making liaison. The pukka grammar/pronunciation is awkward.
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citoyen

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #706 on: October 30, 2020, 11:57:50 am »
Herbs pronounced urbs "because it's French". Why pronounce the S, then, knothead?

Just checked the etymology. Apparently it's Middle English from Old French, and we only started pronouncing the H in the mid-19th century.

I've long since got over my problems with Americanised pronunciation of French words, bearing in mind how badly we treat them ourselves. But I don't think I'll ever make peace with "massoose".
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #707 on: October 30, 2020, 12:08:34 pm »
Because of my time in the US and the number of American ladies I lured into betweensheeted dalliances with my British Accent, I find their pronunciation of 'erbs curiously alluring. Talk dirty. Oh oh oh cilantro!

They do, in return, correct our foolhardy pronunciation of Filet-o-Fish.

Of course, to be proper, I suggest we all go back to the time before the great vowel shift (not to be confused with the great bowel shift).
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #708 on: October 30, 2020, 12:29:32 pm »
I will never forgive English people (with estuary accents) pronouncing "z" as zee. FFS. If USAnians can cope with pavements and lifts and flats, they can cope with zed.
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Auntie Helen

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #709 on: October 30, 2020, 12:38:57 pm »
Of course, to be proper, I suggest we all go back to the time before the great vowel shift (not to be confused with the great bowel shift).
In Germany I live quite close to the Benrather Linie which divided a massive consonant shift aeons ago. My bit of Niederrhein the locals say “wat ist dat” and the people just a bit further south say the normal German ‘was ist das’. I find it really interesting to hear the Niederrheiners talking as it’s more like English when you hear it, even though it’s fully understandable German.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #710 on: October 30, 2020, 12:39:46 pm »
They do, in return, correct our foolhardy pronunciation of Filet-o-Fish.


To which the reply is, "What's that place called where they have the mardi gras?"
I'm fairly confident the French don't have a place called "Or-leens"

citoyen

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #711 on: October 30, 2020, 12:43:04 pm »
I'm fairly confident the French don't have a place called "Or-leens"

They have a town called Beaulieu but I don't think they pronounce it byoo-lee.

People in glass houses and all that.
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ian

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #712 on: October 30, 2020, 12:47:15 pm »
They do, in return, correct our foolhardy pronunciation of Filet-o-Fish.


To which the reply is, "What's that place called where they have the mardi gras?"
I'm fairly confident the French don't have a place called "Or-leens"

To the locals, it's more of a New AHL-lee-ins. You've got to extract all three syllables yet blend the New into the AHL so its NAHL-lee-ins. But you've also got to make it sound effortless, it should be the pronunciation equivalent of rolling over in bed and going back to sleep. They'll still have warm beignets at 2pm so why hurry?

With some irony, I think one of the proposed theories for the great vowal shift is 'middle class hypercorrection.'
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citoyen

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #713 on: October 30, 2020, 12:54:16 pm »
With some irony, I think one of the proposed theories for the great vowal shift is 'middle class hypercorrection.'

I'm sure hypercorrection, middle class or otherwise, is the reason behind a lot of manglings of dirty foreign words - the aforementioned "massoose" being a prime example from the US.

Here in the UK, I often hear "coop de grah" for coup de grace, which will mean something very different to French ears. The idea of delivering a coupe de gras to finish someone off is quite amusing.
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T42

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #714 on: October 30, 2020, 01:59:27 pm »
No more so than Cocteau's ballon de foutre.
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citoyen

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #715 on: October 30, 2020, 02:05:55 pm »
No more so than Cocteau's ballon de foutre.

An arresting image, but not one I've come across before. Where is that from?
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T42

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #716 on: October 30, 2020, 02:28:11 pm »
No more so than Cocteau's ballon de foutre.

An arresting image, but not one I've come across before. Where is that from?

Apparently he asked for one in a restaurant.  It's usually rendered in English as glass of sperm.
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ian

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #717 on: October 30, 2020, 03:12:24 pm »
With some irony, I think one of the proposed theories for the great vowal shift is 'middle class hypercorrection.'

I'm sure hypercorrection, middle class or otherwise, is the reason behind a lot of manglings of dirty foreign words - the aforementioned "massoose" being a prime example from the US.

Here in the UK, I often hear "coop de grah" for coup de grace, which will mean something very different to French ears. The idea of delivering a coupe de gras to finish someone off is quite amusing.

I am sure I've mentioned by request for the buffet to be corrected by the waiter to the 'do you mean the burf-ET?' It turned out that I did because it was Texas and who knows if any given day isn't Bring Your Firearms to Work Day and I didn't want to the one supercilious hotel guest between him and an 'active shooter' incident on WNTV-9.

Re the great vowel shift, some didn't shift. I half-speak an obscure dialect called Erewashian and fight is generally still pronounced as 'fate', water as w-HAT-ter, etc. Time didn't so much as forget the place, as take an alternative route. Still, we only emerged blinking from our tunnels in the late 1980s, finally saved from centuries of molish servitude by the great St Margaret of Thatcher. Bless her. I never knew coal wasn't an actual vegetable before then.
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #718 on: October 30, 2020, 06:22:47 pm »
Herbs pronounced urbs "because it's French". Why pronounce the S, then, knothead?

Just checked the etymology. Apparently it's Middle English from Old French, and we only started pronouncing the H in the mid-19th century.

I've long since got over my problems with Americanised pronunciation of French words, bearing in mind how badly we treat them ourselves. But I don't think I'll ever make peace with "massoose".

Nor yet “shon-tooze”, as used by people talking about the German lady singer on The Velvet Underground & Nico.
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ian

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #719 on: October 30, 2020, 07:29:55 pm »
I think we've done several episodes of Americans vs. Irish names before. That never fails to entertain.
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #720 on: November 04, 2020, 02:40:18 am »
No, TV's *** Boulting, whichever city in Idaho Team CCC's Will Barta hails from it ent “Boys”.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #721 on: November 04, 2020, 09:43:37 am »
That's his own private pronunciation.  ;)
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #722 on: November 21, 2020, 07:58:31 pm »
The new Moto GP World Champion is from Spaign-o, Mr BBC sports reporter, and thus his name is emphatically not pronounced “Jone Murr”.
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Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #723 on: December 04, 2020, 06:57:59 pm »
Various TV news types trying to say BioNTech.

Re: Pronunciation that makes you cringe
« Reply #724 on: December 04, 2020, 09:15:16 pm »
I'm hearing "dep-portation" instead of "dee-portation" which sounds wrong, as though it's something to do with deputy, deputising or something.