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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1150 on: March 10, 2020, 01:05:07 am »


I have not 'shit' over anything as you put it. Upon Perusing this Thread I saw that people were Increasing their CHO intake Beyond what is acceptable for Keto and made a comment. If you Cannot take that - than tough.

And I did rebut your post. Me having the odd bit of Vegan junk food is not the same as yourself upping your CHO intake beyond what is acceptable if you are on the Keto lifestyle. If I cheated by consuming some animal products then by all means you can say it is the same thing.

What on earth are you on about? Having an icecream or a piece of bread is not increasing the cholesterol beyond what's acceptable.  Cholesterol levels only factor in if you fail to eat a balanced diet and have nothing to do with 'cheat' days.

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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1151 on: March 10, 2020, 09:29:47 am »
CHO is carbohydrate.

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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1152 on: March 10, 2020, 09:46:43 am »
I think the issue with diets is that they are diets and, as such, follow a schema of proscriptions, and we introduce the concept of 'cheating' and then there are cycles of guilt and recrimination for breaking those proscriptions. It's a fundamentally toxic approach to eating and weirds our relationship with food. Most diets ultimately fail.
What about cutting out nuts?

I don't think avoiding a product that you're allergic to is a diet. It becomes odd, of course, when you start proscribing things for peculiar reasons.
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1153 on: March 10, 2020, 10:55:53 am »


I have not 'shit' over anything as you put it. Upon Perusing this Thread I saw that people were Increasing their CHO intake Beyond what is acceptable for Keto and made a comment. If you Cannot take that - than tough.

And I did rebut your post. Me having the odd bit of Vegan junk food is not the same as yourself upping your CHO intake beyond what is acceptable if you are on the Keto lifestyle. If I cheated by consuming some animal products then by all means you can say it is the same thing.

What on earth are you on about? Having an icecream or a piece of bread is not increasing the cholesterol beyond what's acceptable.  Cholesterol levels only factor in if you fail to eat a balanced diet and have nothing to do with 'cheat' days.

I refer the above to the Guardian link on brain fog and keto. ;D

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1154 on: March 10, 2020, 07:45:25 pm »
Apologies. I've seen it used for cholesterol..but again...there's no fundamentalism involved, so occasionally going over your carb budget is still not going to break your diet. You've now heard it from several people who are actually successfully doing it and would you please stop telling us how to live our lifes?.

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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1155 on: March 10, 2020, 08:21:08 pm »
I think the issue with diets is that they are diets and, as such, follow a schema of proscriptions, and we introduce the concept of 'cheating' and then there are cycles of guilt and recrimination for breaking those proscriptions. It's a fundamentally toxic approach to eating and weirds our relationship with food. Most diets ultimately fail.
What about cutting out nuts?

I don't think avoiding a product that you're allergic to is a diet. It becomes odd, of course, when you start proscribing things for peculiar reasons.
Maybe that's just how you view it? There seem to be people here proscribing things because they will be healthier and happier.

Nuts is a bit extreme, cos (despite being  totally yummy, and VERY nutritious) they can kill people! They were the first thing I thought of. But there are intolerances, where people KNOW certain foods are bad for them, but occasionally succumb to a treat portion ... which is very similar to what you are criticising. I think.
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1156 on: July 29, 2020, 03:51:17 pm »
Well, losing weight somo in itself is very difficult. the main thing is to maintain a calorie deficit. but I think whatever diet is, it just needs to be healthy. it is most important
All of the red lights on the wall behind me have started flashing.
And a number of buzzers have gone off.
I could be wrong.
Jus' sayin'.

All I hear is this.

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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1157 on: July 30, 2020, 10:14:32 am »
Well, losing weight somo in itself is very difficult. the main thing is to maintain a calorie deficit. but I think whatever diet is, it just needs to be healthy. it is most important
All of the red lights on the wall behind me have started flashing.
And a number of buzzers have gone off.
I could be wrong.
Jus' sayin'.

All I hear is this.

Seems to be happening a lot lately. Have you recalibrated your bullshit sensors or something?  ;D
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1158 on: July 30, 2020, 10:58:50 am »
Well, losing weight somo in itself is very difficult. the main thing is to maintain a calorie deficit. but I think whatever diet is, it just needs to be healthy. it is most important
All of the red lights on the wall behind me have started flashing.
And a number of buzzers have gone off.
I could be wrong.
Jus' sayin'.

All I hear is this.

Seems to be happening a lot lately. Have you recalibrated your bullshit sensors or something?  ;D

I was on a roll....

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1159 on: July 30, 2020, 05:05:29 pm »
Plus one here for a positive keto/low carb experience.

After several years of forgoing wheat through necessity and replacing it with other carbs (spuds, pulse, rice etc) I have recently ( for a few weeks)  taken up a low carbohydrate diet and had very good initial results.
They are weight loss, better sleep, no hunger spikes/hangry episodes, better mood, no crashing exhaustion. An almost total disappearance of arthritic type pain in various abused joints.
I'm really thrilled with the results thus far and although it seems counter intuitive to all my past learnings on nutrition, I really am now convinced there is something in this.
I will, however, keep a healthy dose of cycnisim going forward, but right now the brilliant results are like some kind of voodoo.
I suspect that diets are not a one size fits all, but I think its very likely that I'm one of the many people out there who do not do well on a shit tonne of carbs. That does make a little bit of me sad!
I haven't reduced my very liberal wine consumption either. That makes me very happy.
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Keto Diet
« Reply #1160 on: October 06, 2020, 11:20:07 pm »
Due to many reasons I've been off the bike this year. Since getting into cycling my weight bounces between 12 and 15 stone so now I'm at my upper weight. I've been reading about riders not fueling with carbs instead cutting carbs right down in their diet so they are in effect fueling on body fat.

Does this really work? If so how long does it take for the body to adapt?

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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1161 on: October 07, 2020, 01:36:00 am »
Threads merged.
Did you search?

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Re: Keto Diet
« Reply #1162 on: October 07, 2020, 12:09:09 pm »
Due to many reasons I've been off the bike this year. Since getting into cycling my weight bounces between 12 and 15 stone so now I'm at my upper weight. I've been reading about riders not fueling with carbs instead cutting carbs right down in their diet so they are in effect fueling on body fat.

Does this really work? If so how long does it take for the body to adapt?

Yes it can work, I'm low carb through T1 Diabetes management. If you look at any "exercise fuelling recommendations" mostly by those that produce gels, carb drinks, bars etc and many sports nutritionists, you need carbs for exercise.   I'm generally on about 20-30g carbs per hour with monitoring of blood glucose as I go, that's typically one gel, one NAKD or 9-bar, a piece of fruit etc look on the back of a gel packet - 2-3 per hour recommended. I have one reference that suggests for a person of my weight at 18mph I need 130g/hr, at 14mph 85g/hr.  I reduce my insulin and reduce my carb intake, and tend to average 16-17mph on an audax depending on the course

Try starting your adaptation with morning or weekend rides fasted and see how you get on.
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1163 on: October 08, 2020, 08:41:02 am »
It's different, but for (kendo) tournaments, I will usually bring gummybears and have a few before/after each match. I tried once without and was seriously flagging at the end of the day.

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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1164 on: October 08, 2020, 08:54:39 am »
I make no adjustments for weights/yoga or for seriously nasty intervals on the bike or running - these kind of anaerobic exercises increase the stress hormones which cause the liver to dump stored glycogens. Same goes for a TT on the bike.  I'd expect the kendo tournaments fall into this category as well with a stress response, as well as the sugar burning for that explosive activity.

If anything I need to give myself an extra squirt of insulin afterwards to counter that effect, but not too much or it can end up crashing later.

It's a fine line between aerobic fat burning an anaerobic sugar burning, it takes a while to understand the balance at an individual level.
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1165 on: October 08, 2020, 05:32:28 pm »
I am somewhat detrained at the moment but for the last few years i could ride for 3-4 hours without eating anything at a steady 25-27km/h.  I would arrive home and have a normal meal but not feel any need to take in extra food.  i would not even bother to take any food with me for anything under 100km.

However it has to be said that this was steady state, I did not race up the hills and I kept my HR firmly in the zone 2 / bottom zone 3 area.

if you want to sprint for the KOM then keto is not going to help.

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Re: Keto Diet
« Reply #1166 on: October 08, 2020, 09:50:04 pm »
Does this really work? If so how long does it take for the body to adapt?

Yes.  Between 4-8 weeks depending on the individual and exactly what they're eating.
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Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1167 on: October 12, 2020, 03:22:33 am »
Grabbed a new set of meal plans from Dietdoctor and are rebooting my diet again.
Tonights dinner was salmon and asparagus fried in butter. Yum.

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1168 on: October 13, 2020, 01:23:59 am »
Woah. Had happily forgotten about the initial low energy levels. Went on a fairly easy hike and bonked halfway through. Had to slow the pace way down.

Re: Ketogenic diet - fad or phenom?
« Reply #1169 on: October 14, 2020, 05:10:11 am »
This was really good. More  a  low carb dish (10g per serving than) keto.

Low-carb seafood chowder with curry

Ingredients
30 g butter
175 g thinly sliced leeks
200 g red bell peppers, cut into bite sized pieces
3 garlic cloves, finely chopped
1 red chili pepper, finely chopped
350 ml coconut milk
225 ml heavy whipping cream
3 tbsp curry powder
600 g salmon, boneless fillets, cut into 1 inch cubes
175 g peeled and cooked shrimp
20 g fresh dill
salt and ground black pepper, to taste

Instructions
Melt butter in a large pot. Fry leek, bell pepper, garlic, and chili over medium heat for about 7 minutes.
Add coconut milk, heavy whipping cream, and curry. Cook for a couple of minutes stirring occasionally.
Add salmon and season with salt and ground black pepper. Simmer for about 10 minutes or until the salmon is just cooked.
Add shrimps right before serving and garnish with dill.

Next time I'll add some spinach and reduce leek/pepper.