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Re: Game of Thrones. Strong stuff!
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2013, 04:14:05 pm »
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2013, 08:18:28 pm »
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Just because kids say "everyone watches it" doesn't make it right.
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2013, 08:42:29 pm »
And I was beginning to think you guys were over-hyping it.

Waiting to pick up one of the sprogs today, idly counted many copies of GoT books being carried around or idly read in cars sat next to parents. What with later chat, above, I was becoming a bit more relaxed about it all.

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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2013, 09:48:56 pm »
When boab says "It's strong stuff", that is a bit like Nelson Mandela saying that he knew the inside of his cell "quite well".

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2013, 09:55:56 pm »
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Just because kids say "everyone watches it" doesn't make it right.
Has the TV series got that far yet? I thought it was still on an earlier book.
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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2013, 09:59:54 pm »
It's on an earlier book. I was just trying to give Pancho a flavour of the books . . .
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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2013, 11:10:21 pm »
I'm going to give a contrary view for you Pancho, just as an alternative viewpoint; it's obviously none of my business what you or your daughters actually do.

Thing is, however much you might want them to not do so, your daughters are going to continue to watch Game of Thrones somehow now they have started, if for no other reason than the story is compelling (whether watching on telly, dvd or torrent).

They are also going to want to watch it, especially if "Everyone else is", if only to not be seen as outliers in their peer group(s).  In that respect GoT is, culturally at least, the TV equivalent of the trashy fiction that used to pervade my school years - seemed to be split on gender lines; boys reading incredibly violent and pornographic stuff like Sven Hassell* while girls I knew were passing around the Virginia Andrews books, rife with rape, incest and child murder - I think that GoT is significantly superior to either of those genres and at least has morality and justice at its core.

I would agree that GoT is more gratuitous in use of sex and nudity at times in a way that say, Rome (another very adult HBO production) wasn't - there was oodles of sex and nudity in that but it worked within the story (in my view).  However, I do think that perhaps the most useful thing you could do would be to explain which/what issues you are concerned about with your daughters and talk through those matters.  I appreciate I'm not a parent and YMMV, I just think that that approach is more powerful and respectful of them than an outright ban (which they will ignore and you can't enforce).


* I think it might have been Mr Larrington or Rogerzilla who said “Whoever said you can’t judge a book by its cover has obviously never read ‘The Bloody Road To Death’ by Sven Hassell”.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2013, 11:33:43 pm »
Surely everything on HBO is tame compared to what kids are watching on the internet?  You can't control internet access these days (unless you jam the mobile phone airwaves and ban the kids from visiting friends).
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« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2013, 12:59:23 am »
erm, yes you can.

Just watch the reaction of kids when they realise you have logs of every site they've visited (or they think you have).

I may be wrong, but I suspect that the people here who say "It doesn't matter, they'll see it anyway" are people who haven't raised sons and daughters to adulthood (or past age 18 anyway).
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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2013, 10:49:26 am »
In a way, I'm with WW- the genie is out of the bottle.
But, Pancho sends his kids away to school so is clearly willing to abdicate some aspects of parental responsibility. What they watch in their free time one of the things he's passed over. All I can say, really, is watch it with them. If they're standard teens they'll die of embarrassment as soon as Tyrion hits the first brothel in episode 1, season 1.
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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2013, 12:43:52 pm »
erm, yes you can.

No you can't if they're using mobile phone networks (rather than your wireless broadband) with equipment that you don't know about, or if they ever go anywhere else but home without you.  Then there's recorded stuff transferred from friend's computers.
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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2013, 02:55:36 pm »
I would agree that GoT is more gratuitous in use of sex and nudity at times in a way that say, Rome (another very adult HBO production) wasn't - there was oodles of sex and nudity in that but it worked within the story (in my view). 

To be fair, the books are even more graphic in both the sex and the violence - so they're not being gratuitous, that's the style of the books and the same author is writing the series too.
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2013, 03:04:47 pm »
I decided to use my Lovefilm account to watch Game of Thrones as everyone was raving about it so much. I was bored rigid in the first 20 minutes, gave up and removed it from my rental list.  ;D
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Re: Game of Thrones. Strong stuff!
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2013, 05:07:05 pm »
In a way, I'm with WW- the genie is out of the bottle.
But, Pancho sends his kids away to school so is clearly willing to abdicate some aspects of parental responsibility. What they watch in their free time one of the things he's passed over. All I can say, really, is watch it with them. If they're standard teens they'll die of embarrassment as soon as Tyrion hits the first brothel in episode 1, season 1.
If your kids are young enough for you to mind what they read/watch, then you should be reading/watching with them.

"Abdicate ... parental responsibility" is such a harsh term. I much prefer "set them free".

But your post now makes me wonder - why should I be mind? They're hardly tiddlers anymore. A few generations ago they'd almost be old enough to be sent up chimneys, down mines or simply off to war to die so what's a few rude books? My entire philosophy with children has been to liberate them from (modern day) childhood - so I can hardly complain if they take me up on the offer.

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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2013, 08:52:05 pm »
Pancho - a good way to find out about content suitability of any program/film is Internet Movie Database's Parents Guide. 

e.g  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/  Scroll down through cast to Storyline.

edit.  Even if a particular film classification age may in theory allow watching, (in terms of parental guidance) I tend to work on the principle  that 'though something may be permissible - not all is suitable'. 
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2013, 10:01:50 pm »
Spoiler-tastic quote from tonight's episode on Sky Atlantic:

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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2013, 09:14:20 am »
Quote from one of the books

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Just because kids say "everyone watches it" doesn't make it right.
Has the TV series got that far yet? I thought it was still on an earlier book.

To be fair, I suspect even HBO won't be able to get away with showing that particular plotline.  In much the same way that all the kids in the TV series are rather
Older than they are in the books. It gets around certain ummm paedophilia issues.
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« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2013, 03:26:47 pm »
To be fair, I suspect even HBO won't be able to get away with showing that particular plotline.  In much the same way that all the kids in the TV series are rather
Older than they are in the books. It gets around certain ummm paedophilia issues.

You reckon? Speech from Sunday's episode:

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« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2013, 03:34:28 pm »
Yes but Sansa isn't underage in the TV series - she most definitely *is* in the books. That was my point.

For those not in the know - at the outset of the books Bran is about 8, Arya 11, Sansa 12/13 - Robb 13/14 (Jon Snow about the same).  Joffrey is also about 12ish.
(Dany too I think)

I would estimate from looking at them in the TV series that Bran is about 11/12, Arya 14/15, Sansa 18, Robb/Jon 21...
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« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2013, 03:41:13 pm »
She's supposed to be underage. There is a prolonged discussion about it between bron and tywin. The queen also goes on about "Don't worry, she's blooded". So as filmed she is made out to be about 13 by that stage.

The actress looks older - but then girls do when dressed up in gowns.
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« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2013, 04:13:06 pm »
Yes I suppose they did do the 'flowering' scene and I suppose most girls are younger than 16 when that happens.  But the other kids are clearly older than 8 etc.  Robb is obviously more than 14 for example. They've deliberately left it unclear I suppose.

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« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2013, 04:29:22 pm »
And it was common for people to be married very young in the past, ie once they were past puberty. Game of Thrones is set in a pseudo early middle ages.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2013, 04:46:42 pm »
Yes I suppose they did do the 'flowering' scene and I suppose most girls are younger than 16 when that happens.  But the other kids are clearly older than 8 etc.  Robb is obviously more than 14 for example. They've deliberately left it unclear I suppose.

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« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2013, 05:13:46 pm »
To be fair, I suspect even HBO won't be able to get away with showing that particular plotline.  In much the same way that all the kids in the TV series are rather
Older than they are in the books. It gets around certain ummm paedophilia issues.

You reckon? Speech from Sunday's episode:

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And this is on TV? Normal TV?

This is what people spend their Sundays watching?

If so, I am utterly, utterly gobsmacked.

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« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2013, 05:16:26 pm »
No it's not on normal TV it's on subscription only TV in the US (HBO) and the UK (SKY).
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.