Idiot english question:
When folks reference "Bwlch y Groes", are they mainly referring to
the climb from the south (with 12 chevrons in 2.4km), or
the Easterly approach from Lake Vrynwy(sp?), which is 2 chevrons over about 5km!
I've only ridden the latter (on MC1k). Which other audaxen feature either version?
(from a quick play with bikehike, ByG(S) is vvvv similar to Hardknott in stats terms. )