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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #150 on: May 12, 2014, 05:01:57 am »
Conchita is more significant because people knew before hand. I'm happy she won but it wasn't my fave song.
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #151 on: May 12, 2014, 08:46:42 am »
Well. Now then. What an evening. Number of 'Bond' sounding songs. How the hell did Armenia get so many votes!!??

I felt myself strangely drawn to focus a bit more carefully when Poland started singing. Can't remember the song that well. Poland should use those girls for tourism purposes.

Austria's result says so much more than folks liking just the song.

And I was so pleased The Netherlands almost won!!!!
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #152 on: May 12, 2014, 09:35:46 am »
The Polish entry wasn’t written for Eurovision. It was already a hit in Poland last year. It's supposed to be a parody on traditional stereotypes of Polish women.
This makes more sense with original video than the Eurovision performance. With the original Polish lyrics the parody is obvious apparently.

http://youtu.be/BQp7z8yYZUI
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #153 on: May 12, 2014, 12:36:36 pm »
Conchita is more significant because people knew before hand. I'm happy she won but it wasn't my fave song.
It was all over the news beforehand that Dana International is a trans woman.
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #154 on: May 12, 2014, 01:29:44 pm »
Conchita is more significant because people knew before hand. I'm happy she won but it wasn't my fave song.
It was all over the news beforehand that Dana International is a trans woman.

Yes, I don't remember being surprised by Dana International - she'd been the subject of quite a lot of publicity and discussion prior to the event. Conchita Wurst seems to be a little different. As far as I've read, she's a 'drag' (I hate that term!) act, very well known in Austria (a bit like Lily Savage but somewhat less grating!), and the actor is Tom Neuwirth who's an ex-boy band member. I don't know if Tom regards himself as trans in any way other than cross-dressing, though he dresses as a man when not being Conchita - much like Paul O'Grady. I get the impression he's been somewhat taken by surprise in being regarded as a figurehead for sexual tolerance, but s/he's adopted the role very well on the relatively few occasions when anyone's given her the opportunity to speak rather than sing.

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #155 on: May 12, 2014, 06:00:42 pm »
The Polish entry wasn’t written for Eurovision. It was already a hit in Poland last year. It's supposed to be a parody on traditional stereotypes of Polish women.
This makes more sense with original video than the Eurovision performance. With the original Polish lyrics the parody is obvious apparently.

http://youtu.be/BQp7z8yYZUI

What a load of twaddle. Like many many artists before them ,desperate for attention, they've gone for the soft-porn/titallation marketing option. (note: the original video has even more flesh and titillation - I've watched it  ;D )


http://wiwibloggs.com/2014/02/28/lyrics-slavic-girls-parody/41021/#
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Milk running down their cheeks and over their thrusting cleavage isn’t just there to titilate. It plays on the supposed role of women in traditional society: to be angels in the kitchen and wantons in the bedroom.

Genius. They've played on this by showing - guess what - angelic girls in the kitchen, who are then wantons in the bedroom! All in revealing costumes, just in case we were too dense to understand the "parody"!

I feel so much more educated now.

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #156 on: May 12, 2014, 06:27:33 pm »
According to the Grauniad (sorry, I have to read it as I've reached my free article limit with the Telegraph and haven't got round to rinsing my cookies), the Polish entrants won the open telephone voting. What's democracy good for, eh?

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #157 on: May 13, 2014, 05:23:42 pm »
In case there is still someone unaware, CW translates somewhat freely as 'fanny sausage'. Obvious reference.

I note TimC's reference to 'drag' and his dislike of it. 'Drag' is actually a very specific term, and is well-used in the broad church that covers transgendered people--the "TG Umbrella". There are fundamental differences between drag queens/kings and crossdressers, arising from the different mindsets that are involved. Drag tends in most cases to extend and exaggerate the 'cisgender norm' and often takes it to parody. Watch 'Priscilla' or RuPaul for ideas on that one. Lily Savage is over the top clothes-wise, but the act works more through the personality of the character rather than the frocks.

Crossdressing is an entirely different kettle of fish, horribly complicated, and a totally foreign country to me. Leaving aside 'Genderqueer', those of us who fall into the TS group are a lot simpler to explain. We just have a few issues with our bodies, in the main.

Now, I don't know where Tom/CW falls on that spectrum, but he's done a lot of us a big service by pissing off an awful lot of homophobes. Hint to the Russians, Ugandans, etc: wearing a skirt makes you neither a woman or a gay man. Bigotry isn't that simple.
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #158 on: May 13, 2014, 05:31:37 pm »
According to an article I read in German somewhere, the Wurst thing wasn't about body parts but was an allusion to a German idiom. Can't find where I read it though.

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #159 on: May 13, 2014, 05:39:41 pm »
According to an article I read in German somewhere, the Wurst thing wasn't about body parts but was an allusion to a German idiom. Can't find where I read it though.


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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #160 on: May 13, 2014, 05:40:49 pm »
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #161 on: May 13, 2014, 07:28:42 pm »
Hint to the Russians, Ugandans, etc: wearing a skirt makes you neither a woman or a gay man.

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #162 on: May 13, 2014, 07:38:08 pm »
I had a long debate about Dana I vs Conchita on Saturday night. (When it would have been far more sensible to GO TO BED in preparation for bright&early waking of smallperson, but there we go.) I contended that Conchita is more in-yer-face; the other party involved contended that Dana I was more threatening (specifically to the average straight male) because more subtle, ie one might accidentally fancy her without realising o-the-horror. Whereas Conchita is more obvious. (NB as neither of us is a straight male I have no idea how accurate this is; the OPI has a better claim to knowledge than I do but is also more cynical.)

I was happy at the result, anyway :)

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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #163 on: May 14, 2014, 02:06:43 am »
Juliet has struck the nail there. A very large proportion of transphobia is tied up in the fear of fancying a transwoman. There is a perception that they are sent by Satan to entice Real Men to spend their Precious Bodily Fluids in a bogus gaymosexual orifice, and then lead them into a life of puddle-jumping and knowing what they have in their wardrobes. That is why so many of them have to be raped by Real Men.

Drag acts don't do that, because they are intended to be 'read' and thus don't carry the threat. Dana I was simply a good-looking woman with a past, whereas CW is clearly drag and thus non-threatening. I write as someone who is as likely to entice a Real Man as I am to catch a unicorn, but then I hardly have the desire for either...
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #164 on: May 14, 2014, 03:27:07 am »
Hint to the Russians, Ugandans, etc: wearing a skirt makes you neither a woman or a gay man.

You could be Scottish.

Or Asian/Indian/Polyneasian etc
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #165 on: May 14, 2014, 05:16:32 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27404406

Interesting references to the groundswell of Russian opinion, rather than the usual "one man, one vote*" attitudes we usually see from that benighted country.

*That man is, of course, Putin.
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #166 on: May 15, 2014, 11:11:06 am »
Juliet has struck the nail there. A very large proportion of transphobia is tied up in the fear of fancying a transwoman. There is a perception that they are sent by Satan to entice Real Men to spend their Precious Bodily Fluids in a bogus gaymosexual orifice, and then lead them into a life of puddle-jumping and knowing what they have in their wardrobes. That is why so many of them have to be raped by Real Men.
I know two people who have had this happen to them.

Drag acts don't do that, because they are intended to be 'read' and thus don't carry the threat. Dana I was simply a good-looking woman with a past, whereas CW is clearly drag and thus non-threatening. I write as someone who is as likely to entice a Real Man as I am to catch a unicorn, but then I hardly have the desire for either...
While being 'straight' (ie, I'm attracted to women), to me oddly CW looks 'attractive'. It would be interesting to analyse why; 'drag' acts do nothing for me. Probably some odd combination of voice, eyes and suchlike.

I find the Russian posturing laughable. It sounds so insecure; they come across as so terrified of discovering that deep down, they really want it . . .
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Re: Eurovision 2014
« Reply #167 on: May 15, 2014, 01:55:29 pm »
Ahhh, how very true. Methinks thems do protest too much! If only people were more accepting and forgiving.
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