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Re: £100 fine for running over 5 pupils and a lollipop lady
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2014, 02:24:50 pm »
Any compensation is a civil action, not a criminal one. The criminal case establishes fault, the civil case the liabilities.
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Re: £100 fine for running over 5 pupils and a lollipop lady
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2014, 01:42:48 pm »
http://www.roadjustice.org.uk/case-study/driver-charged-over-lollipop-mans-death-05122012

UPDATE (24/06/14)
The case has been dropped against Ms Paul.

She faced two trials – one in November at Portsmouth Crown Court and a second in May at Southampton Crown Court.

The jury in each case was discharged.

On 23rd June, the prosecution offered no evidence during a short hearing at Portsmouth Crown Court, which means the case will not be proceeded with.

Report URLs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22627826

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/motorist-accused-of-causing-death

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/waterlooville-lollipop-man-s-deat

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lollipop-man-killed-helping-pregnan

CTC's view:
The defendant claimed to be familiar with the route on which she killed Mr Elsmore, it would therefore not be unreasonable to expect her to have the knowledge that a lollipop man would be positioned on the road at that time. She therefore should have been fully aware of the dangers of driving on that stretch of road without having clear visibility.

Re: £100 fine for running over 5 pupils and a lollipop lady
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2014, 08:29:05 am »
Well, let's face it.. lollypop people..  pretty expendable really, you could soon train up another one.
Sic transit and all that..

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Re: £100 fine for running over 5 pupils and a lollipop lady
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2014, 09:47:50 am »
Why on earth are we banging on about flip flops. There is no evidence at all that his footwear had anything to do with this accident. He wasn't wearing driving gloves either.  or sunglasses?
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Re: £100 fine for running over 5 pupils and a lollipop lady
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2014, 10:50:48 am »
I find the 'blinded by low sun and a misted up screen' excuse increasingly irritating. If you can't see you can't safely drive into the 'space'. To suggest that slowing to 25mph (in a 30 limit presumably) as you drive past a school at opening time is a reasonable response to not being able to see is utter nonsense. The girl was only 22 and probably hadn't got a clue, but she should have had and her driver training should have ensured that ignorance was no excuse.

Re: £100 fine for running over 5 pupils and a lollipop lady
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2014, 09:04:36 am »
Yeah, I learnt from my Dad, he was obsessive about having a nice clear windscreen. 

Anyway, the advancing developments in robotics means the day will soon be here when drivers simply have to stop for obstacles whether they see them or not.

Once that facility is fitted drivers will rapidly have the control of their vehicles removed as skill and concentration levels decline.
Sic transit and all that..