Author Topic: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing  (Read 13337 times)

Wowbagger

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Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2014, 11:07:30 pm »
I'd like to defend Lincolnshire.

It has a very good brewery (Batemans, in Wainfleet).

It has lots of hills (if you don't believe me, try riding from Brigg to Horncastle along the B whatever it is).

It is largely deserted.

When my brother lived there in the 1970s he presided over a very fine population of natterjack toads in the sand dunes at Saltfleetby St. Clement.

Lincoln itself is a fine town with a splendid cathedral, some very good pubs and a blue plaque commemorating William Byrd.

On the down side, Grantham is in Lincolnshire and we know what's wrong with that.
Oh, Bach without any doubt. Bach every time for me.

Tim Hall

  • I want to eat the fleeting shade of your lashes
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2014, 11:12:59 pm »

On the down side, Grantham is in Lincolnshire and we know what's wrong with that.

<guess type =wild>Isaac Newton went to school there?</guess type>
There are two ways you can get exercise out of a bicycle: you can
"overhaul" it, or you can ride it.  (Jerome K Jerome)

Wowbagger

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Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2014, 11:22:21 pm »

On the down side, Grantham is in Lincolnshire and we know what's wrong with that.

<guess type =wild>Isaac Newton went to school there?</guess type>

No. A someone who caused much greater gravity.
Oh, Bach without any doubt. Bach every time for me.

pdm

  • Sheffield hills? Nah... Just potholes.
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2014, 11:22:44 pm »
You forget to mention the other good thing about Lincolnshire; it is just next door to God's Own Country - Yorkshire! ;)

Gattopardo

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Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2014, 01:58:56 am »
I use it occasionally to get to lakeside to go to Tacobell.

HTFB

  • The Monkey and the Plywood Violin (RIP)
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2014, 09:49:57 am »
I'm not overly struck by Kent either.
Kent is the Garden of England, and every garden has, somewhere, its stinking fly-ridden compost heaps. Like Sittingbourne.

nicknack

  • Hornblower
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2014, 11:04:21 am »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.
There's no vibrations, but wait.

Redlight

  • Enjoying life in the slow lane
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2014, 12:21:38 pm »
Ebbsfleet is pretty rough… and it isn't even built yet  ;)
Between the Disney abattoir and the chemical refinery

Pancho

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Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2014, 12:47:57 pm »
I first saw this notice a couple of months ago. It's pretty much crap isn't it.

Speaking to someone in the know... the powers that be want to axe the free service. The only way they can axe it is if the amount of cyclists using the service fall below a certain level. This 'break' system is one of the snidey ways they are using to try to dissuade cyclists from using the service.

They can't bin the service (or at least not without Parliamentary legislation) - it's statute:

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27 Services for transporting cycles and cyclists through crossing.

(1)The Secretary of State shall either provide, maintain and operate vehicles for the purpose of carrying pedal cycles and cyclists through the crossing or make such arrangements as he considers appropriate with any other person for securing the provision, maintenance and operation of vehicles for that purpose.

(2)No charge shall be made in respect of the carriage of any cycle or cyclist on any vehicle provided by, or in pursuance of arrangements made by, the Secretary of State under subsection (1) above.

Of course, you can debate forever about the point at which a service is so limited that it becomes a failure to provide.

Kim

  • Timelord
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2014, 01:23:09 pm »
So it'll turn into the equivalent of a parliamentary train, with a single service every other Tuesday...
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Cudzoziemiec

  • Dormant but requires tea
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2014, 01:32:33 pm »
The advantage of a cycle path as part of the bridge, in addition to it not being turned parliamentary, is that it allows access for maintenance work. This might help justify the cost of construction (which, as said, is probably rather small as a proportion of the whole).
The unwilling rider and the one who leaves each control in turn without reluctance, with no desire to come back, obviously cannot be making the same journey, even though their brevets are identical.

Vince

  • Can't climb; won't climb
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2014, 01:41:44 pm »
Yep, That's why the Severn Bridge has two of them, and boy did they need them in the first 30 years of its life!
216km from Marsh Gibbon

Regulator

  • That's Councillor Regulator to you...
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2014, 04:57:41 pm »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.
Quote from: clarion
I completely agree with Reg.

Green Party Councillor

nicknack

  • Hornblower
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2014, 05:31:33 pm »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.

The nice bit.

Honest.
There's no vibrations, but wait.

Regulator

  • That's Councillor Regulator to you...
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2014, 07:01:40 am »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.

The nice bit.

Honest.

What?  The road off the island?
Quote from: clarion
I completely agree with Reg.

Green Party Councillor

Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2014, 07:03:40 am »
I'd guess the tumbleweed is still blowing along the street of Queenborough.
Sic transit and all that..

Oscar's dad

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Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2014, 07:42:44 am »
Lincolnshire is quite not too bad, really.

Apparently Hull is one of the happiest places in Britain.  Because it is not in Lincolnshire?

I'm sure Lincolnshire isn't really that bad.  I'm due to ride up and down it again in September when I do Tomsk's Flatlands 600.

Hull is a brilliant place.  We went there a few weeks back.

Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2014, 09:49:48 pm »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.

The nice bit.

Honest.

What?  The road off the island?

No, that's ghastly!

Bits of minster are quite nice.  :)
Quote from: Kim
^ This woman knows what she's talking about.

nicknack

  • Hornblower
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2014, 10:16:29 pm »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.

The nice bit.

Honest.

What?  The road off the island?

No, that's ghastly!

Bits of minster are quite nice.  :)

Quite. Thank you.  :thumbsup:
There's no vibrations, but wait.

Oscar's dad

  • Cheers!
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2014, 06:37:06 am »
I use it occasionally to get to lakeside to go to Tacobell.

What? Lincolnshire!

David Martin

  • Thats Dr Oi You thankyouverymuch
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2014, 10:14:28 am »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.

Is that an argument for climate change?
"By creating we think. By living we learn" - Patrick Geddes

nicknack

  • Hornblower
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2014, 10:48:34 am »
Ahem.

Speaking as a native of these parts (born in Sittingbourne), I think you'll find that there are worse shit-holes than Sittingbourne not too far from here . If I mentioned Gillingham I suspect I might annoy some folk, so I won't.

You may also note I'm not actually denying the "fly-ridden compost heap" claim, although, from where I'm sitting (Minster) it doesn't look too bad.

Isle of Sheppey.... 'nuff said.

Is that an argument for climate change?

Hmm...

A sea level rise would remove Sheerness, Queenborough and Leysdown but leave most of Minster and Eastchurch.  So not all bad.  :demon: There'd be a bit of an issue with the bridge.
There's no vibrations, but wait.

Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2014, 10:57:29 am »
You could re-instate the ferry to Harty Ferry! Or possibly Oare, as the nearest bit not underwater!
Quote from: Kim
^ This woman knows what she's talking about.

Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2014, 12:51:06 pm »
When I lived in Dundee I did a lot of cycling in Fife. The Tay Road Bridge was easy-peasy.

citoyen

  • Cat 6 Racer
Re: New restriction on cyclists using the Dartford Crossing
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2014, 02:57:28 pm »
The notice reads:
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For the benefit of cyclists and the efficiency of the service a timetable has been introduced for teh Dartford Thurrock River Crossing.


So the service is being improved by creating windows when you can't use it.

You've misunderstood. In business-speak, making a service more "efficient" doesn't mean improving it, it means making it cheaper, which in practical terms usually means cutting staff.

I have some sympathy for the remaining employee left to face the wrath of angry cyclists. They're entitled to take a break occasionally. No one is a winner here.

I'm saying nothing about Sittingbourne. The less said, the better. But at least it isn't Gravesend.