Author Topic: Ditching the television  (Read 6998 times)

Wowbagger

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2014, 02:54:32 pm »
We still have a tele. A lot of days it doesn't get switched on. However, we're not about to get rid of it because there are a few programmes on the Beeb that we like to watch. So we don't mind paying a licence fee to help pay for them. I get pissed off with the folk who ditch the tele and watch everything on iPlayer without contributing a penny towards the stuff that they like to watch.

I've been of that opinion for many years, having ploughed a few thousands' worth of licence fee into the BBC which has probably represented more than £5 per hour to watch. I doubt very much that I have watched anything like as much as an hour of television per week on average since we ditched out B & W licence in 1994 and forked out on a colour box. There was a period of some 6 years in which we had a free licence because my parents lived with us and were, of course, over 75. I think I've supported public service broadcasting for long enough though, and if they don't want people without a licence watching on Iplayer then they can always turn it off.

@Oscar's Dad: Dez has come up with a perfectly good suggestion for watching Pointless. Watch on Iplayer a day behind.
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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2014, 03:52:21 pm »
"What do you mean, you don't have a television?"
"I don't have a television."
Silence.
Followed by, "Blimey, you must have really good views where you live."
???

Strange isn't it?

There was an amusing conversation at work yesterday: A (youthful) colleague had  a picture on a  stick & I asked him about it, he said it was the "paddle of rebuke". I looked confused, then asked if it was something off the telly? He was incredulous and said "you don't watch the telly? What do you do when you get home?" which was followed by everyone else in the room saying "Anything BUT watch TV!!"

I still pay the licence, though as various above ^^^ it's not very good VFM as I've probably watched hignify once a month on air and that's it. However I'm a voracious consumer of R4 and the World Service and would willingly pay for that if it were an option. I watch a huge amount of films on disc but the general TV output is not worth switching on for. 
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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2014, 05:06:32 pm »
I cancelled my direct debit & then used the online thing to say I no longer had a TV & didn't need a license.   They've since sent me a letter saying that as I cancelled the debit my license will expire on a given date.

A pity you can't get a radio license,  I've no objection to paying to keep Radio 3 on air!
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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2014, 05:14:25 pm »
It's interesting here in Germany as the equivalent licence (GEZ) is mandatory, even if you don't have a television. You have to pay it, no exceptions, and German television doesn't even have the quality of the BBC. And it's over 200€ a year. And it doesn't include Radio 4 which I think makes the TV licence worthwhile in itself.

Luckily my landlady and landlord have the GEZ and we have pretended, for the sake of the licence, that I live with them rather than in my own self-contained flat.

IT is the same in France I believe - you have to have a licence regardless.

That is right (in France).  The BBC will not let me use iplayer to watch their programmes in France even the proxy server option has been thwarted. 

My respect for the BBC has also nose-dived of late as do think they give UKIP far more exposure than they merit. Today I was irritated by the news that

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The BBC has refused to apologise to Argentina over a Top Gear special filmed in the country.

Mr Cohen said the BBC would still broadcast the programme.

He said: "I am very aware that some have questioned whether the number-plates were in some way a prank.

"I would like to reassure you again that nothing we have seen or read since the team returned supports the view that this was a deliberate act."



They can't seriously think anyone believes it wasn't a stunt so why don't they and Clarkson have the guts to admit it instead of behaving like children who daren't own up to their actions?   They could just tell the truth: 'it was a stunt and we make no apology'.  Gutless.
Sic transit and all that..

Dibdib

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2014, 05:26:37 pm »
They can't seriously think anyone believes it wasn't a stunt so why don't they and Clarkson have the guts to admit it instead of behaving like children who daren't own up to their actions?   They could just tell the truth: 'it was a stunt and we make no apology'.  Gutless.

I don't think NASA have apologised for faking the moon landings either.

Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2014, 06:50:43 pm »
On checking the gash email account I use when I don't want people to have my main address I found the following epistle:

Dear Sir/Madam,

You've let us know you don't need a licence, so you won't receive emails or letters from us for nearly two years – unless you've told us you'll need a licence before then, or we think your circumstances have changed.

In about two years, or sooner if appropriate, we'll get in touch to check if you still don't need a licence.

A quick reminder of the law.
You need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TV sets, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and DVD/VHS recorders.

If you do start watching or recording TV, you can buy a new TV Licence quickly and easily online at tvlicensing.co.uk/pay or on
0300 790 6128 with your bank details ready.

Just to confirm...
We may visit your address to confirm that no licence is required. You see, it is our duty to make sure that everyone in the UK who needs a licence has one.

We visit addresses to check because, when we make these visits, almost 1 in 5 is found to need a licence. Please be assured that this is a routine visit, and will take no more than a few minutes.

Yours faithfully,

Debbie Beckett
Customer Services
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hellymedic

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2014, 07:15:01 pm »
I see it is only 3½ years since this email exchange. I've heard nothing since though.

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Tel:      0300 790 6087
Fax:      0300 790 6012
Email:    enquiries@tvlicensing.co.uk
Our Ref:  TVL22931869   

Lic.No.    3483076967         
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13/05/2011 

Dear Dr Vecht

Thank you for telling us you don?t need a TV Licence.

Within the next few weeks you will receive another letter.  This asks you to reply only if a set has been installed or a licence purchased.

As no licence is required, as a set is not in use, then you do not need to reply.  In due course one of our Visiting Officers will call on you and confirm the situation.  Once confirmed, we will update our records accordingly.  This will protect your address from letters, for a longer period than would normally be set at an address, as it has been confirmed that a set is not in use.

I am sure you will appreciate, we have a responsibility to the Licensing Authority and the licence holding public to be certain of the licensing requirements for each address.

I hope the information above clarifies the situation.

Yours sincerely,

Mr W Kimball
TV Licensing

Need further help? Try our online help service, click here to access it: http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/info.

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CONTACT US QUERY: WHY HAVE YOU SENT ME A LETTER SAYING I HAVE NOT ANSWERED YOUR LETTER WHEN I HAVE?
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TVL22633175 COVERS MY ADDRESS. I HAVE NO TV.
LEAVE ME ALONE OR I WILL GET VERY ANGRY!
WHY DOES YOUR ONLINE 'NO TV' DECLARATION PAGE HAVE NOWHERE TO  ENTER REFERENCE NUMBERS IN LETTERS YOU HAVE SENT TO US? YOU ARE BUREAUCRATIC IDIOTS!

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2014, 07:38:11 pm »
I think I've supported public service broadcasting for long enough though, and if they don't want people without a licence watching on Iplayer then they can always turn it off.

And how is that supposed to work for those of us that do pay the licence fee then??  If you have such a low opinion of the BBC and don't want to pay for, don't use its output. To do otherwise is hypocritical.
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Wowbagger

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2014, 07:46:16 pm »
The BBC clearly doesn't have a problem with people without television licences watching on Iplayer, or reading its website.

Assuming that, over a long period, you have watched more television than I have (the vast majority of people have) but paid precisely the same price, then I'm no longer subsidising your viewing.
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

Kim

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2014, 08:14:54 pm »
I don't think that Wowbagger (or anyone else who doesn't have a television but listens to BBC radio or visits the BBC websites) is responsible for the way the BBC is funded - there's no hypocrisy in not paying for a licence for things you don't need a licence for.

Yes, it's silly, but that's the government's fault, not the users'.
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

hellymedic

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2014, 08:37:17 pm »
I don't think that Wowbagger (or anyone else who doesn't have a television but listens to BBC radio or visits the BBC websites) is responsible for the way the BBC is funded - there's no hypocrisy in not paying for a licence for things you don't need a licence for.

Yes, it's silly, but that's the government's fault, not the users'.

+1
The government scrapped the Broadcast Receiving Licence for radio when I was a kid.

Kim

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2014, 08:38:15 pm »
Shades of the "you don't pay road tax" argument...
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2014, 09:16:51 pm »
I've never paid for a tv licence. Until I was 36 I lived with other people who paid for one (or didn't have a tv) and I've never had a tv since. I don't really watch things on i-player because I don't know what's on and if someone says 'you should watch x' I never get round to it. The German and French systems seem most unfair to me! If there was still a radio licence, I would pay for that. :)
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hellymedic

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2014, 10:16:57 pm »
I am quite happy to pay for what is required by law but if the gubbishment decide I don't need to pay, so be it.
I watched the Panorama Baby P programme earlier in the week on iplayer but this is the first time I have done this in ages.

Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2014, 11:46:23 pm »
Anything else I should be aware of?

I read some time back that the average person watches 3.5 hours of TV every day. I haven't had a TV since I left my parents house when I was 18 and now neither do you, Wow, so that's 1,277.5 hours a year you have free to invest in something, eg. learn something new or take up a new hobby, spend half your new free time walking, or make an extra move or two each day in a game of chess.

Wowbagger

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2014, 11:58:33 pm »
I don't shave either! I do want to take up cycling though.
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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2014, 06:33:17 am »
They can't seriously think anyone believes it wasn't a stunt so why don't they and Clarkson have the guts to admit it instead of behaving like children who daren't own up to their actions?   They could just tell the truth: 'it was a stunt and we make no apology'.  Gutless.

I don't think NASA have apologised for faking the moon landings either.

I don't remember any Loonies being offended?  Maybe you can't get telly on the moon?
Sic transit and all that..

Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2014, 07:51:36 pm »
spend half your new free time walking
Who else misread that and thought "I do that anyway"?  ;D
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citoyen

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2014, 10:30:01 pm »
spend half your new free time walking
Who else misread that and thought "I do that anyway"?  ;D

I would make some reference to the QI klaxon but have the contributors to this thread wouldn't get it.

ian

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2014, 10:02:34 am »
Sorry, I don't the do the entire you're wasting your life thing, I only listen to Radio 4, and thats gone downhill, I remember when, John Humphrys, John Humphrys! Whatever happened to the MANCHESTER Guardian, eh? And trolleybuses. Admittedly, I don't understand the sitting in front of the TV from home to bed (like my family do), but horse for courses, TV gives a lot of people pleasure. As does plugging away at computers, riding a bike, or building an orgasmatron in the garage.

But anyway, I think if you use the BBC's services in any format, you should pay up, rather than think of ways to excuse it. That's modern life and its gospel of sundry entitlement.

I think we got the letter about a visit but I binned it. I mostly bin anything with the words TV Licensing on the front (we did go through a spell of them when we got married, it's still beyond the ken of many people and organisations to understand that we have different surnames). I'm not sure I'd let them inspect my house if they did turn up. The aerial isn't actually plugged into anything (thought it would be a 10 minute job to reconnect) but I'm not sure why I'd want to let a stranger wander around my house to demonstrate what I've already told them. If they think I'm watching TV illegally, it's their job to find the evidence.
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Wowbagger

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2014, 11:27:26 am »
Our aerial is lying horizontally across the roof, the result of years of rust and a gale in about 2009. It doesn't seem to have broken any slates as Dez flew his quadcopter & Go-pro over the roof a few weeks ago just to make sure.
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Julian

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2014, 12:07:26 pm »
I haven't had any more visits since offering to let the inspector into the garage to see the pieces of our television.  He queried why I was leading him to the garage and I explained that we keep the television in a cardboard box in the garage because it is in multiple shattered pieces.  He naturally wanted to know more, so I explained (perfectly truthfully) that we shot it.  "Shot it," quoth he, "how?" "With guns," I responded, and he decided that not only did he not need to see it but he could also make a little note explaining that he was satisfied that we really do not have a (working) television.

Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2014, 12:37:03 pm »
I simply don't buy the "If you watch it, you should pay for it" argument.

If they want us to pay for it - then they shouldn't put it in the public domain. Simple as that. I don't have to pay for my use of GPS satellites either - another public domain "service". If they want to fund public service TV out of my taxes (which I pay a fuck tonne of), then that's up to the politicians to sort out - that's not my problem.
FWIW, I'm a big fan of public services, including public service TV. The funding model for the BBC is fucked up - but again, that's not my responsibility.

As for the hateful Licensing people - I have no idea how they get away with such harassment. I haven't watched "live transmission" TV for years - I've had two visits, and still they harass me.

hellymedic

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2014, 12:38:21 pm »
I haven't had any more visits since offering to let the inspector into the garage to see the pieces of our television.  He queried why I was leading him to the garage and I explained that we keep the television in a cardboard box in the garage because it is in multiple shattered pieces.  He naturally wanted to know more, so I explained (perfectly truthfully) that we shot it.  "Shot it," quoth he, "how?" "With guns," I responded, and he decided that not only did he not need to see it but he could also make a little note explaining that he was satisfied that we really do not have a (working) television.

 ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Ditching the television
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2014, 12:38:40 pm »
A well made point ...

I don't think that Wowbagger (or anyone else who doesn't have a television but listens to BBC radio or visits the BBC websites) is responsible for the way the BBC is funded - there's no hypocrisy in not paying for a licence for things you don't need a licence for.

Yes, it's silly, but that's the government's fault, not the users'.

But ...

I think I've supported public service broadcasting for long enough though, and if they don't want people without a licence watching on Iplayer then they can always turn it off.

And how is that supposed to work for those of us that do pay the licence fee then??  If you have such a low opinion of the BBC and don't want to pay for, don't use its output. To do otherwise is hypocritical.

Wow, you're saying that you are not going to watch telly for reasons of principle which is fair enough ...

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...but the most recent pro-Israeli coverage of atrocities, and the totally unjustified difference between their treatment of the Green Party and UKIP have finally forced me to say "enough is enough!"

So surely your principles should dictate you shouldn't watch any BBC content on any medium?