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Thor

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Armstrong to join Astana
« on: September 24, 2008, 12:05:21 pm »
Probably.

And Contador will be somewhat displeased if he does and may go elsewhere.  Which should give rise to some interesting rivalry in forthcoming Tours. 

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clarion

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 12:10:18 pm »
Surprising.

Kazakh owners happy to ditch the currently most successful rider to accommodate a big name comeback which may backfire, but,  pragmatically, will lead to lots of publicity.

Interesting to read the comments from other riders in the comic.  Knowing that Armstrong rides a very psychological game, it sounds to me that a lot of them are resigned already to letting him win.
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 12:35:17 pm »
Surprising.

Not at all.  Astana grew from the corpse of Discovery and USPS.  Bruyneel managed all of Armstrongs tour wins.

clarion

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 01:06:06 pm »
I know the Bruyneel connection, but I would have thought that Armstrong would poach Johann and build his own team, rather than (given the feeling about him particularly in the home of Le tour) ride for a team with more than a whiff of Operacion Puerto about it.
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 01:15:15 pm »
[...]given the feeling about him particularly in the home of Le tour[...]

And given Astana rather sulfurous reputation on the Tour as well!

And it isn't very American to ride for Kazakhstan either.
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clarion

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 01:15:52 pm »
True that...
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 01:29:51 pm »
Good points.  Guess it's down to Bruyneel, then.

onb

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 02:31:38 pm »
I dont understand how Astana can be confident of getting the gig ,and I would have thought Armstrong joining them might only have reduced their chances.
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 02:56:50 pm »
Armstrong never tested positive... or had any concrete implications. 

onb

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 02:59:27 pm »
Yeah I know ,what I meant was given French dislike of Armstrong the Astana connection would give reason indirectly.
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 03:04:28 pm »
Surely the one thing Lance is NOT trying to achieve is to make friends with the French?!?

Or have i missed an armistice somewhere in all this ...
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 03:08:00 pm »
I think they'd be hard pushed to exclude Astana again.

Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 07:10:23 pm »
Hope Contador does go elsewhere.

Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 09:07:11 pm »
Agreed.  There's Contador, maybe Sastre in the frame against Armstrong.  Should be one hell of a scrap  :thumbsup:

(Cadel Evans will be frankly irrelevant IMO)

TheLurker

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2008, 08:32:11 am »
Armstrong never tested positive... <snip>
And that's sort  of what niggles.  He would always say, "I've never tested +ve".  Until recently he has (AFAIK) never said, "I never doped." and there is an important difference between the two.

He did say, in  the last week or so when the comeback was being talked about, "I didn't dope in 2001 so why would I dope now." or words to that effect.  My 1st reaction was huzzah, he's finally said (in a roundabout way), "I didn't dope.", but then I noticed that he hadn't said "1999 or 2000 " or even "I've never doped so why would I dope now." 

I'd be very pleased if someone could turn up a quote were he says unequivocally, "I never doped."

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LEE

Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2008, 08:52:37 am »
Armstrong never tested positive... <snip>
And that's sort  of what niggles.  He would always say, "I've never tested +ve".  Until recently he has (AFAIK) never said, "I never doped." and there is an important difference between the two.

He did say, in  the last week or so when the comeback was being talked about, "I didn't dope in 2001 so why would I dope now." or words to that effect.  My 1st reaction was huzzah, he's finally said (in a roundabout way), "I didn't dope.", but then I noticed that he hadn't said "1999 or 2000 " or even "I've never doped so why would I dope now." 

I'd be very pleased if someone could turn up a quote were he says unequivocally, "I never doped."



And then you'd be happy?

I doubt it.

Let's just assume they all doped, including all the great champions.  The only ones that tend to admit it are the ones who got caught.  I don't remember anyone mentioning it as they stood on the winner's rostrum being showered with money.

What are you looking for exactly?

He won the TdF an incredible 7 times, if he was clean the na breath-taking achievement.

If he doped then still a breath-taking achievement (considering that everyone on his back wheel was doping as well).

Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2008, 08:55:26 am »
(considering that everyone on his back wheel was doping as well).

Really?! I think you ought to consider that some countries do have a strict anti-doping policy and have had a system in place for some 10 years...
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2008, 09:25:48 am »
Yeah, by that you mean the French.

..... and which French rider was ever on Armstrongs wheel????


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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2008, 09:33:10 am »
Yeah, by that you mean the French.

..... and which French rider was ever on Armstrongs wheel????


Well this is an argument they may have had legitimately, no?! If they are closely monitored all year long... Not specifically behind Armstrong, mind.
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2008, 10:00:22 am »
Armstrong never tested positive... <snip>
And that's sort  of what niggles.  He would always say, "I've never tested +ve".  Until recently he has (AFAIK) never said, "I never doped." and there is an important difference between the two.

He did say, in  the last week or so when the comeback was being talked about, "I didn't dope in 2001 so why would I dope now." or words to that effect.  My 1st reaction was huzzah, he's finally said (in a roundabout way), "I didn't dope.", but then I noticed that he hadn't said "1999 or 2000 " or even "I've never doped so why would I dope now." 

I'd be very pleased if someone could turn up a quote were he says unequivocally, "I never doped."



Although I can't be arsed to find a quote, I've heard him say on TV (many times) "I have never taken performance enhancing drugs". I've never heard him say "I have never tested positive" :shrugs:

BTW, I'm neither a Lance fan boi or a Lance hater. I just think he's a knob. A knob who can ride a bicycle...
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clarion

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2008, 10:17:49 am »
...I just think he's a knob. A knob who can ride a bicycle...

The most accurate assessment of the man's career I've ever seen.
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gonzo

Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2008, 10:27:38 am »
Bear in mind that he's under a lifetime contract to ride a Trek.

Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2008, 11:55:25 am »
Contracts can be broken if the money is right  ;)

TheLurker

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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2008, 02:28:02 pm »
<snip>
I'd be very pleased if someone could turn up a quote were he says unequivocally, "I never doped."

And then you'd be happy?
<snip>

Yup. I would. He says, "I've never doped." rather than some truthful but otherwise 'ambiguous' line about, "I've never tested +ve" and as the tests so far show no evidence of doping then that would satisfy me completely. 
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Re: Armstrong to join Astana
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2008, 08:13:56 am »
I dont understand how Astana can be confident of getting the gig ,and I would have thought Armstrong joining them might only have reduced their chances.

I think the absolute opposite is true.  Provided that Astana suffer no 'mishaps', having Armstrong on their team is a virtual guarantee of invitation to the TdF...

...think of the tv licensing revenues from the US.  Remember, it isn't primarily a sporting event, but a commercial one.