Re: Banoffee pie and canned milks

[Auntie Helen]

I am going to dinner with some friends tomorrow night so decided to make a Banoffee pie for them.

Found the condensed milk, found a pressure cooker to cook it in, gave it one hour (still liquid sloshing around inside) so gave it another 1.5 hours (pressure cooker a bit old and not pressurely).

No digestive biscuits so crushed up some Leibnitz Butterkeks.

I just opened the Condensed Milk - still liquid. Clearly it's different stuff here. So I need to do Plan B which is the other recipe (without boiling it in the tin) which adds more sugar and butter and doesn't taste as nice.

I have bought some whipping cream but will have to do it by hand with a whisk as no electric mixer in my flat.

I think I bit off a bit more than I can chew. At least I have the bananas!

[Jurek]

Oooohhh...
Sounds like the pie-of-disappointment

[Auntie Helen]

The boiling it up didn't work either - I think German Condensed Milk is Wrong somehow.

However now the resulting liquidy stuff is cooling some edges are going slightly caramelly/crispy so I may rescue something.

But it will not be the Proper Banoffee Goodness so my chums may be disappointed.

[Mr Larrington]

Oooohhh...
Sounds like the pie-of-disappointment

Is it pie?

[Tim Hall]

I am going to dinner with some friends tomorrow night so decided to make a Banoffee pie for them.

Found the condensed milk, found a pressure cooker to cook it in, gave it one hour (still liquid sloshing around inside) so gave it another 1.5 hours (pressure cooker a bit old and not pressurely).

No digestive biscuits so crushed up some Leibnitz Butterkeks.

I just opened the Condensed Milk - still liquid. Clearly it's different stuff here. So I need to do Plan B which is the other recipe (without boiling it in the tin) which adds more sugar and butter and doesn't taste as nice.

I have bought some whipping cream but will have to do it by hand with a whisk as no electric mixer in my flat.

I think I bit off a bit more than I can chew. At least I have the bananas!

At a guess, it might be that you have evaporated milk, rather than condensed. (Is evaporated milk still a thing? I have no idea).

[hellymedic]

I am going to dinner with some friends tomorrow night so decided to make a Banoffee pie for them.

Found the condensed milk, found a pressure cooker to cook it in, gave it one hour (still liquid sloshing around inside) so gave it another 1.5 hours (pressure cooker a bit old and not pressurely).

No digestive biscuits so crushed up some Leibnitz Butterkeks.

I just opened the Condensed Milk - still liquid. Clearly it's different stuff here. So I need to do Plan B which is the other recipe (without boiling it in the tin) which adds more sugar and butter and doesn't taste as nice.

I have bought some whipping cream but will have to do it by hand with a whisk as no electric mixer in my flat.

I think I bit off a bit more than I can chew. At least I have the bananas!

At a guess, it might be that you have evaporated milk, rather than condensed. (Is evaporated milk still a thing? I have no idea).

65p for a 410g tin of Sainsbury's own brand or rather more for Carnation, though it's on offer right now.

Sainsbury's also sell tinned condensed milk, which is 56% sugar, but no tubes.

[Cudzoziemiec]

Sainsbury's might not deliver to Germany though!

[hellymedic]

Indeed. I wonder if evaporated milk could be 'converted' to condensed by the addition of much sugar.
Now I've seen the nutritional info, I understand the difference!
Ordinary evaporated milk is about 12g sugar/ 100g milk, condensed is 56g per 100g; just another 44g sugar per quarter tin!

[Cudzoziemiec]

I'm trying not to imagine what our ketonauts would say to that!

[hellymedic]

Our ketonauts are not beyond the occasional indulgent carbofest.

As a compulsive food label reader, I was pointing out the differences between the two types of canned milk; condensed is basically milk-flavoured syrup.
I have never made a banoffee pie.

Sugar cookery fascinates me.

[Pancho]

Sainsbury's might not deliver to Germany though!

If they're charging 65p a tin, I hope they would.

55p in Aldi and Asda. And that's after recent shocking price hikes.

[hellymedic]

Sainsbury's might not deliver to Germany though!

If they're charging 65p a tin, I hope they would.

55p in Aldi and Asda. And that's after recent shocking price hikes.

Sainsbury's Special Offer!
2 tins of Carnation evaporated milk for £2!!!
Now with added Nestlé goodness...

[Wowbagger]

@Tim Hall: Of course evaporated milk is still A Thing. For certain purposes (eg pouring on fresh raspberries or hot apple pie) it is the Only Thing.

[Julian]

Jelly and vap was my favourite pudding when we visited my grandparents. Sitting next to Granddad got you the last spoonful of vap out the bottom of the tin.

[Auntie Helen]

It was proper condensed milk - they have loads of that in Germany.

I whipped the cream by hand this morning - and slightly overdid it so it started turning to butter and was unusuable.

I bought some more whipping cream on my way to the friends' house and whipped that up when I got there with their electric mixer. But I stopped before it got ideally thick as I was worried about it turning to butter again.

So they got a liquid gloopy banoffee pie without much caramel but they seemed to like it. And had seconds. I showed them a picture of what it was supposed to look like.

[hellymedic]

What percentage of German condensed milk is sugar?
Even if it was only half that of the Brits' (56%) it would still taste pretty sweet but it would not cook the same way.

[hellymedic]

Should be fine, r-r.
Make a dry, sweet, shortcrust pastry with wholemeal flour

[phantasmagoriana]

This thread is making me want some condensed milk. Straight out of the tin, because that's the only way to eat it.

[hellymedic]

I've only had it from a tube...

[Auntie Helen]

the condensed milk I used was Bärenmarke.

Kondensmilch, wärmebehandelt, 10% Fettgehalt, 17% fettfreie Milchtrockenmasse

Nährwerte pro 100 g:
Brennwert: 637 kJ / 153 kcal
Eiweiß: 5,9 g
Kohlenhydrate: 9,8 g
Fett: 10 g

So perhaps not enough fat. No mention of sugar.

[hellymedic]

the condensed milk I used was Bärenmarke.

Kondensmilch, wärmebehandelt, 10% Fettgehalt, 17% fettfreie Milchtrockenmasse

Nährwerte pro 100 g:
Brennwert: 637 kJ / 153 kcal
Eiweiß: 5,9 g
Kohlenhydrate: 9,8 g
Fett: 10 g

So perhaps not enough fat. No mention of sugar.

The Kohlenhydrate/carbs are all sugar in milk.

Try Milch-Mädchen by (spit) Nestlé which is 55% sugar (I checked).

[hellymedic]

the condensed milk I used was Bärenmarke.

Kondensmilch, wärmebehandelt, 10% Fettgehalt, 17% fettfreie Milchtrockenmasse

Nährwerte pro 100 g:
Brennwert: 637 kJ / 153 kcal
Eiweiß: 5,9 g
Kohlenhydrate: 9,8 g
Fett: 10 g

So perhaps not enough fat. No mention of sugar.

This is what the Brits would call evaporated milk.
Sainsbury's evaporated milk is: 8.4% protein, 11.7% carbs & 9% fat.

I suggest you either by a sweetened condensed milk next time or try adding about 125g sugar for each 100g milk (yeah, really!) and dissolving.

[Kim]

Data point:  When faced with a lack of mixer, the temptation to mate a large fork and a drill is great.  However, it is wise to resist.  DAHIKT.

[Auntie Helen]

No drill meant this was also not an issue, fortunately.

I am tempted to try the drill plus toilet brush potato peeler combo one day.

[Wowbagger]

Data point:  When faced with a lack of mixer, the temptation to mate a large fork and a drill is great.  However, it is wise to resist.  DAHIKT.

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