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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2015, 03:10:19 pm »


....or you could interpret that graph to say that with or without doping, performance results for the last 45 years are all within 10%

But then you wouldn't have a story or a theory.
The thing I notice about that graph is that almost every Olympic year there is a trough. The two exceptions are 1980, when the USA and various other nations boycotted the Games, and 2000, when EPO detection was established.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2015, 04:08:57 pm »
Radcliffe's marathon WR was set in one of the troughs.

I'm sure she was clean though.

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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2015, 08:02:21 pm »
...I suspect that the huge money factory of sponsorship based on phoney life affirming fantasies of people transcending through determination would evaporate. Sports and sportspeople are held up as a model for human endeavour and achievement - a model which increasingly looks like a shabby scam to sell overpriced 'trainers' and dangerous fatty food and sugar laden drinks, or phoney nationalist nonsense...

Sebastian 'Nike' Coe, ex Tory MP will fix it all, thobutt.

Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2015, 11:06:53 pm »
...I suspect that the huge money factory of sponsorship based on phoney life affirming fantasies of people transcending through determination would evaporate. Sports and sportspeople are held up as a model for human endeavour and achievement - a model which increasingly looks like a shabby scam to sell overpriced 'trainers' and dangerous fatty food and sugar laden drinks, or phoney nationalist nonsense...

Sebastian 'Nike' Coe, ex Tory MP will fix it all, thobutt.

He delivered an excellent olympics. I think his challenges will be (amongst many others) loving the sport too much to rip it apart which is what it needs imho.  Also he's seen as an elite brit so will face a lot of challenges being accepted by many, although theres nobody which would please everyone. (he didnt help himself at all, re his nike sponsorship)

Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #79 on: November 13, 2015, 10:13:11 pm »
Quote from: the BBC
Russia's athletics federation has been provisionally suspended from international competition - including the Olympic Games - for its alleged involvement in widespread doping.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2015, 07:47:16 am »
Although Coe has been forced to reverse his position on Russia, his history and business interests strongly suggest he is part of, and an enabler of, the problem - rather than part of a solution. He was visiting with and lauding the very same Russians only a week before the damning report.
His period as number 2 in the IAFA shows him repeatedly defending the dopers through denials which at best look like a man wearing self imposed blinkers, or possibly a woeful level of ill informed incompetence, or an alternative less palatable interpretation. It is inconceivable he was unaware of his bosses wholesale criminal activity, or the evidence passing his desk routinely of athletes dodgy results, and national institutional corruption.
Meanwhile his international consultancy is at the heart of the commercialisation that drives doping, and relies on schmoozing the senior players and athletes doing it. His conflict of interests in this is glaring.
He is the perfect man to run damage limitation and whitewash for sure, in part because he has skilfully managed his own PR to appear rather different to the above picture. He is for instance admired for delivering the London dopers olympics, despite it having been apparently sabotaged by dopers and inadequate testing.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2015, 08:01:38 am »
Although Coe has been forced to reverse his position on Russia,
snigger.

I can hear your clenched teeth grinding, Tigerr!

Getting you to praise anything Coe does would be like getting blood from a stone, wouldn't it?

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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #82 on: November 15, 2015, 08:38:57 am »
Well, multimillionaire sports commercialisation consultant and successful hardline Tory politician Coe did a good job as figurehead of the London Olympics, and famously ran faster than arch rivals, to the delight of the tabloids as he was 'nicer' than them.
Multimillionaire Monaco based tax exile and corporate motivational speaker Paula Radcliffe was another well managed favourite, specialising in the projection of a 'normal woman' brand.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2015, 06:25:09 pm »
Coe has just announced that he's to resign from his position at Pikey Nike.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2015, 08:25:09 pm »
 ::-)
Not before time. Its left a stubborn stain though.

Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #85 on: November 28, 2015, 06:29:01 pm »
And Paula is declared cleAn.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #86 on: November 28, 2015, 09:31:31 pm »
And Paula is declared cleAn.

By a dirty athletics federation.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2015, 08:19:08 am »
And Paula is declared cleAn.

By a dirty athletics federation.
She was officially* clean already - no declaration was required.

I say "officially" because of course someone MIGHT produce evidence to the contrary. But that hasnt happened yet. She MAY have got away with devious high-tech skullduggery, but we cannot know. Sport doesnt use positive vetting - athletes don't need a "Not A Cheat" certificate before entering events.

That's how sport works. Good luck changing that!
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #88 on: January 15, 2016, 08:46:28 pm »
Good to see Paula coming out so strongly in defence of Coe as the report is published.
Described in the report as the senior member of a committee which could simply not have been unaware of the extensive doping in Russia and elsewhere, that was not fit for purpose, Coe still insists he is the man to clean up the poop he managed to miss being laid on the carpet in front of him, despite the stink in the room. As the guardian puts it he was in the position of the audit director of Enron who took a salary without seemingly looking at the books.
That individual is now doing time of course.
Paula's incredible performances were on his watch - so he holds the key to her tax-exile lifestyle. A revalation of PEDs would bring her conference inspirational career, and his own membership of the good and great, to a halt. No surprise on the mutual fandom.
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Re: Paula Radcliffe - A Great ?
« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2016, 10:32:01 pm »
Good to see Paula coming out so strongly in defence of Coe as the report is published.
Described in the report as the senior member of a committee which could simply not have been unaware of the extensive doping in Russia and elsewhere, that was not fit for purpose, Coe still insists he is the man to clean up the poop he managed to miss being laid on the carpet in front of him, despite the stink in the room. As the guardian puts it he was in the position of the audit director of Enron who took a salary without seemingly looking at the books.
That individual is now doing time of course.
Paula's incredible performances were on his watch - so he holds the key to her tax-exile lifestyle. A revalation of PEDs would bring her conference inspirational career, and his own membership of the good and great, to a halt. No surprise on the mutual fandom.

Sorry but I think you do Paula a disservice here. She may be naive in supporting Coe ( generally considered a slime ball by those competing in the same era) but there is nothing in her pedigree or development that shows the sort of improvement gained where drug use has been an issue. It's only at the marathon where she excelled - how often did she fail on the track? It's easy to forget that in any one era someone will be the best!
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