Author Topic: Brooks Cambium C15/C17  (Read 29431 times)

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2018, 12:19:28 pm »
Alerted to this from another thread, a Selle Atomica answer to the Cambium: https://selleanatomica.com/products/r2?variant=13838086144102

Tensionable. Interesting.

My C17 Carved has gone a bit saggy and leads to annoying bobbing when sat up. Currently auditioning replacement perches.

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #76 on: November 05, 2018, 12:35:26 pm »
Alerted to this from another thread, a Selle Atomica answer to the Cambium: https://selleanatomica.com/products/r2?variant=13838086144102

Tensionable. Interesting.

My C17 Carved has gone a bit saggy and leads to annoying bobbing when sat up. Currently auditioning replacement perches.
Interesting. But I'd think sitting directly on the rubber, rather than on a textile surface over the rubber, would rapidly get very sweaty.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2018, 12:48:11 pm »
My Cambium is the 'all weather' rubber top version. Not noticeably sweatier than any other saddle, but I am very sweaty anyway. I make my Spa Nidd (leather) look like it's been raining when i ride it... :sick:

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2018, 12:50:05 pm »
I thought the all-weather version also had some sort of fabric covering the rubber base layer, just a different fabric (nylon?) from the cotton canvas on the standard version?
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Kim

  • Timelord
Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2018, 01:32:12 pm »
Interesting. But I'd think sitting directly on the rubber, rather than on a textile surface over the rubber, would rapidly get very sweaty.

Maybe use something else for the World Naked Bike Ride, then?
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2018, 08:28:27 pm »
You'd have to ask Wowbagger...
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2019, 01:16:56 pm »
Did anyone else find the C17 a bit too boingy? It was comfortable enough (325km longest ride on it) but I never got used to the slight bounce while pedalling. Gone back to the Madison Prime that came with a bike.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2019, 03:11:59 pm »
Can't say I've noticed a boing in the two C17 I have.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2020, 06:09:50 am »
Alerted to this from another thread, a Selle Atomica answer to the Cambium: https://selleanatomica.com/products/r2?variant=13838086144102

Tensionable. Interesting.

They have had 12 months of "production problems" and have only just started shipping to the pre-order customers who have been waiting over a year.

Some "reviews" on the Selle Anatomica site, don't know how much to trust reviews on a suppliers site? Most of the reviewers give 5 stars but seem to have only done a few kms. I am not sure why they would need to be "tensionable"  as neither of my C17 have shown any hint of stretching after 1,000s of kms, they are though too hard for more than 200. Perhaps Selle Anatomica are just using the same frame as their leather ones so are making a virtue of an unneeded feature?

I have had 3 leather Selle Anatomica saddles in the last 6 years and all stretched out completely in less than 6 months use, (4 to 5 thousand kms each) but were comfortable while they lasted so a non-stretching Selle Anatomica saddle is of interest to me. I will keep an eye on the "reviews", if anyone gets a R2 their review here will carry a lot more weight.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2020, 05:36:00 pm »
I'm on my second leather SA and was interested in the R2 but the delays have gone on and on. I'm waiting to see if it will be available through Amazon UK to avoid a nasty import tax surprise. I did buy an H2 18 months ago via Amazon as I was interested in the lighter cast frame reducing overall weight. However, out of the box the finishing was terrible with numerous rough edges, nicks and damage. It didn't even go on the bike - straight back to Amazon for a refund (without any issues). I note one R2 reviewer on the SA site points to poor quality assembly. My current 'X' saddle is ok but after a couple of hours it seems to have sagged sufficiently for it to affect my position on the bike - presumably the R2 will not do this - more than one of the site reviews confirm that the saddle is 'firmer' than the leather versions. There's a youtube review here, where the guy decides it's not for him within an hour ... https://youtu.be/HdkQvi4nEbQ
It does seem logical to use the same sub-frame assembly even if the tensioning is not as usable and you can swap it out for a leather top if needs be.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2020, 09:01:26 am »
... I did buy an H2 18 months ago ... My current 'X' saddle is ok but after a couple of hours it seems to have sagged sufficiently for it to affect my position on the bike ...There's a youtube review here, where the guy decides it's not for him within an hour ... https://youtu.be/HdkQvi4nEbQ ... even if the tensioning is not as usable and you can swap it out for a leather top if needs be.

My most recent Selle Anatomica was a H2 and rather than being a "more durable saddle" as claimed mine stretched more and faster than my 2 previous Xs which like yours stretched too much even during a short brevet. But perhaps its just me, I rode with Keith Morical in March last year (he 600, me 200) and he was on a H2 that he planned to use in the Trans Am Bike Race in June (6,800kms), he came second (in 19 days) and then PBP, and other training & "races", all told he would have done 20,000+kms on the H2 in 2019, saw a picture of his bike in November and the same(?) SA was still on but looking very stretched

The video you mention is interesting, it shows the tensioning bolt to be almost a token, about 25 rather than 55mm, close to zero tensioning possibility, he says the R2 fits between his SA X and Brooks C17 (all weather) with regard to "hardness" which is exactly where I would like . Perhaps the grippyness is less with longer lycra shorts rather than shorter denim ones? Guess we will have to await someone getting one and doing a few thousand kms on it.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17 (but what about the C13?)
« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2020, 07:02:39 am »
Just before the "lochdoon" started, (my mother was a Bruce), I had a bad accident and have been off the bike for a few months, recently started slowly getting the kms up again but quite a few sore bits and find all my previous favourite saddles (including C17 All Weather Carved and B17 Imperial , now also called "Carved") no longer cut it for me. I will persist with them but my gaze is wandering and co-incidentally the Brooks marketing writers for the C13 158mm Carved have changed its description to include all the right words ("Audax" "PBP", "brevet") so they have got my attention. https://www.brooksengland.com/en_row/saddles/c13-158-carved.html

The C13 are now the All Weather nylon top versions and I found the C17 AW much more flexible then my previous cotton top model.

So I am wondering if anyone has experience with the C13 especially the wider 158mm one. The pictures appear to show the C13 is much more level front to back than the previous models which had a marked up kick at the rear. I mounted my C17 with the nose down a lot as I found the nose otherwise became uncomfortable so a flatter shape might be an advantage. I am not especially keen on the carbon rails , wonder how durable they are and they make the C13 fairly expensive.

Any thoughts appreciated, thanks.

PS Also just before the COVID-19 measures slowed us down I got a Selle Anatomica R2 (rubber) saddle, have only done a few hundred kms on it but doubt it is the solution for me.

FifeingEejit

  • Not Small
Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2020, 10:51:46 am »
The c13 is carbon railed, also note tha lack of bag loops.

I've got one sitting in a box waiting for me to finish off rebuilding a bike.

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2020, 06:35:01 am »
I've got one sitting in a box waiting for me to finish off rebuilding a bike.

Looking forward to your post rebuild appraisal of the C13

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2020, 10:01:43 pm »
HK had a ‘test’ C17S Cambium from a few years ago that she had retired in favour of a C17S Carved. We got the old saddle altered to match the new by https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=116791.0

It turns out that the rubber has an embedded structural mesh that is exposed when the top is cut. Works fine now, apparently.

I am disappointed that Brooks has swapped to rivets instead of the Torx screws on newer Cambiums (All Weather and C13). It is also annoying that Brooks is not offering any replacement parts except the Torx screws. Another lost opportunity to repair and reuse older saddles in favour of more landfill.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2020, 10:32:18 pm »
I've no idea what parts they used to offer, but I agree that is disappointing.
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #91 on: September 13, 2020, 10:36:57 pm »
I don’t think they ever sold replacement Cambium parts but it would have been easy for Brooks to sell replacement tops, cantle plates and suchlike. They used to do so for leather saddles but in a low-key way. Gilles Berthoud manages to do so for all their saddles, which allows riders to keep old saddles in service (like grandpa’s axe) and even to swap between different tops.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #92 on: September 13, 2020, 10:45:41 pm »
Do Brooks no longer do that for leather saddles? I'm sure I've read of people sending old B17s and similar off to the factory and getting them back with new tops or whatever needed doing. Maybe not in the last couple of years though, can't be sure.
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LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #93 on: September 13, 2020, 10:57:32 pm »
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/repairs
Brooks also used to supply saddle components, including leather, to non-factory repairers but that is restricted now. “Repairs that require medium to high levels of skill and knowledge to accomplish, need to be handled through our dealers or by trained technicians at one of our Brooks-approved repair centres.”
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2020, 08:41:43 am »
It turns out that https://www.ridecrivets.com/ makes aftermarket bolts/nuts to fit all Cambium models, including All Weather C15/ C17/ C19 and C13. Not seen them in real life but an interesting option.

Available in the UK from Keep Pedalling in Manchester
http://www.keeppedalling.co.uk/2019/03/14/crivets/
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