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gonzo

The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« on: October 06, 2008, 07:19:53 pm »
Piepoli and Schumacher test positive at Tour de France

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Who was really shocked to hear that?

Didn't think so!

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 07:46:52 pm »
No, not shocked.  In many ways I'm glad they are really trying to improve things. 
Emanuelle Sella is also no shock.  They have to learn not to cheat.

clarion

  • Tyke
Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 09:29:03 am »
*feigns surprise but his archly raised eyebrow gives him away*
Getting there...

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 09:36:23 am »
The list is potentially longer as well...

Frank Schleck Suspended

Rira bien qui rira le dernier.
Frenchie - Train à Grande Vitesse

gonzo

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 10:28:22 am »
A post over on weight weenies:
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I remember back from what Pez had reported from a the Het Laatste Niews newspaper in a previous doping thread:

*AG2R: Valjavec plus 1 rider from: (Efimkin, Dessel, Arrieta, Dupont, Elmiger, Gadret, Goubert of Riblon)

*Saunier Duval: Ricco, Piepoli en Cobo

*Team Columbia: Two riders from: (Kirchen, Hincapie, Burghardt, Cavendish, Ciolek, Eisel, Hansen, Lovkvist of Siutsou)

*CSC: Five riders from: (Cancellara, Fränk Schleck, Andy Schleck, O'Grady, Voigt, Gustov, Sastre, Arvesen of Sörensen)

*Gerolsteiner: Two riders from: (Schumacher, Kohl, Förster, Fothen, Haussler, Krauss, Lang, Scholz of Wegmann) (gb)

An ominous day indeed...

It's looking like a fair chunk of the TdF podium could come out positive by the end of the week...

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 11:02:28 am »
There's some overlap in our lists... and some big names!
Frenchie - Train à Grande Vitesse

gonzo

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 11:17:02 am »
It's nice to see that the tour organisers are providing 'entertainment' in the off season!

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 11:35:17 am »
If we combine the two lists, some people do seem to be in trouble.
Frenchie - Train à Grande Vitesse

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2008, 11:48:23 am »
Ohmigoodness!  Who is your money on?

I'd be disappointed, not to say overwhelmed, if some of those names were found positive.  But otoh not too surprised at some of the others.
"What a long, strange trip it's been", Truckin'

andygates

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Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2008, 01:04:52 pm »
We need a sweepstake.  Like a dead pool, only without the Pope.
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Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 02:11:11 pm »
We need Clint as well...  ;)
Frenchie - Train à Grande Vitesse

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2008, 04:48:10 pm »
And I'd always assumed that it was the illegal drugs that prevented me from attaining the heights of sporting success....
Let right or wrong alone decide
God was never on your side.

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 09:20:59 am »
Interestingly Prudhomme is being attacked today by readers in L'Equipe for being an hypocrit: How did he dare let Schumacher and Piepoli, and Ricco ride? He can't win really? Had he said anything before the evidence were accepted, legally he was in trouble. If he doesn't do anything, although in the know, he is attacked and the TdF is again in the news for the wrong reasons! Still, I think that his attitude and France's attitude in general are wimming the battle. As noted elsewhere the labs are now helping and it is happens that Roche had/has tagged the CERA molecule so that it was/is detectable. The public is also starting to see the extent of the damage and understands his position and suspicions. Good news at last.
Frenchie - Train à Grande Vitesse

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 10:26:43 am »
The TdF got slated in the US for banning Astana -  there was that "let Levi ride" campaign -  where to anyone prepared to look at the evidence it was a logical and practical decision.  Again Prudhomme did the right thing and was prepared to take the flak.

Just goes to show, you can't please all the people all of the time
"What a long, strange trip it's been", Truckin'

David Martin

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Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2008, 07:40:00 pm »
As noted elsewhere the labs are now helping and it is happens that Roche had/has tagged the CERA molecule so that it was/is detectable.

Sorry - that is a myth. The molecule is not tagged. It would cost far too much to do that. What Roche did do was to work on the doping tests during drug developemnt so the test was available as the drug came onto the market.

..d
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gonzo

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2008, 09:00:24 pm »
So now that Khol's gone, who else will go? Sastre's final TT performance is making a lot of people suspicious. Another TdF yellow jersey to be removed?

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2008, 10:12:05 pm »
Sastre is in the list given on Stade 2...
Frenchie - Train à Grande Vitesse

gonzo

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2008, 02:26:06 pm »
Apparently they're done with the testing for CERA and no one else has tested positive.

Would they have named Sastre if he had tested positive?

With so many suspicious values on CSC perhaps they were on something that's not detectable yet?

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2008, 03:01:59 pm »
 >:(
All I can say is (again) I'm now much less bothered about not being able to watch live racing next year on Eurosport....each set of new revelations just makes me less and less enchanted with cycle racing. 

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2008, 09:16:51 pm »
The Armstrong employs top Doc is a good thread to read to understand about how / why the lab people do what they do, in my opinion.

clarion

  • Tyke
Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2008, 09:50:28 am »
>:(
All I can say is (again) I'm now much less bothered about not being able to watch live racing next year on Eurosport....each set of new revelations just makes me less and less enchanted with cycle racing. 

Happier not knowing, perhaps?  I'd rather that the cheats are being weeded out aggressively and that whoever remains on the road is as clean as can be determined, than have all results in doubt.
Getting there...

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2008, 10:30:51 am »
>:(
All I can say is (again) I'm now much less bothered about not being able to watch live racing next year on Eurosport....each set of new revelations just makes me less and less enchanted with cycle racing. 

Happier not knowing, perhaps?  I'd rather that the cheats are being weeded out aggressively and that whoever remains on the road is as clean as can be determined, than have all results in doubt.

Thing is though, we've been through it all before, Festina, etc, and everyone has said "well, the bad old days are over" and then it's all kicked off again.  So you get to the point where you start to ask "should I invest time and emotion in following the racing, supporting certain riders, being awed by their abilities only to have our faith dashed again with the new generation of clean riders?".

Sure they should all be treated as innocent until proven guilty, and sure, this time they might actually crack the drugs problem, but I'm afraid that you can only kick some old dogs so many times until we decide to leave home.

gonzo

Re: The 'Latest Drugs Revelations' thread
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 08:57:07 pm »
It's looking like Valverde is on very thin ice at the moment, but I found the second point on this list more interesting:
Operation Puerto: More on the CONI Investigation - Podium Cafe

The first one was quite enlightening too; the Italians are going out of their way to get the testing of Spanish riders done when the Spanish federation seems to be protecting its riders.