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Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« on: October 16, 2014, 10:21:33 pm »

Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 11:40:50 pm »
No more than I would be with any of the pro teams. Found this extract from the Guardian report mildly amusing, in an ironic way, 'The series of cases in quick succession has raised concerns about the team’s anti-doping practices, which will now come under review.'

On the other hand Nibali passed his bottles to our daughter at the end of stage 1 of the Tour and remains a hero in our household and I had the priviledge of riding with a small group of pros (and a bigger group of non-pros) last week and they were all ordinary chaps who were good to chat too and ride with. Nothing to suggest anything untoward.


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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 07:35:35 am »
Typical - and despicable - how they shoe-horned Nibali's name into the headline. If the team belongs to anyone other than the city it's Vino.
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 07:47:48 am »
I'm not remotely suprised. 

It could get interesting now.

In the red corner, mounting evidence of systematic cheating in a team run by an established drugs cheat, wrapped up in the increasingly lucrative globalisation of racing.

In the blue corner our prize middleweight Brian Cookson and his platform of cleaning up pro cycling.

Who will prevail, I wonder?

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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2014, 05:43:25 pm »
No more than I would be with any of the pro teams.

Rather less than I would be with any other pro team - Saxo is another team to arouse my suspicions wholesale, but even that's not as whiffy as Astana.

Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 06:01:22 pm »
Anybody who wins is suspicious, and I would make the assumption that Cookson is either able or willing to do anything about it.

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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2014, 10:03:29 am »
Do we believe Nibbles when he says he knew nothing about it? He seems to use a lot of weaseling - they're not really part of my team even if they are Astana, I didn't sign with Vinokourov, signed with the team owner.

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Did he have any doubts signing for Vinokourov, the general manager? “No. I didn’t actually sign with Vino. I signed with the team owner and with Giuseppe Martinelli [Astana’s team-manager] who I know well. The key thing is that they agreed I would take my whole group. This gave me the opportunity to lead my own team.”
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 10:35:24 am »
Do you really have any doubts about that?
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2014, 11:08:04 am »
Only as to whether he will be uncovered in four years, sooner, or later - sadly - which depends on the techniques.
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 08:27:03 pm »
Fifth case today.  Development team; steroids.  See your favourite sports news site for details.

ETA. 
I wonder if Nibali has any escape clauses in his contract?
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 09:51:12 pm »
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 10:44:28 pm »
There is Astana Pro Team, Astana Conti team and there is another Conti team called "Vino 4ever". Allegedly they pitch up at races and mix and match. How the UCI can give any of them a licence to race is beyond me. Sorry Mr Cookson, my faith in you is rapidly diminishing.
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2014, 08:19:55 am »
They have been given their licence for 2015.. ::-)

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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2014, 08:52:54 am »
Astana have money and other teams do not. What did you expect?

I look forward to the investigation results leading to Astana being disbanded before the end of the year. Of course, an entirely unconnected team with the same riders and staff will pop up and continue on its merry way. That approach worked for Phonak and other teams.
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2014, 09:23:00 pm »
1998, 2006, 2014; these drugs busts are like clockwork.  Who wants to bet there'll be a big one in 2022?

Re: Astana - uci calls for licence to be removed
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2015, 12:54:51 am »
Just read on cycling plus that the Uci has called.for Astana's world tour licence to be removed. There is also a sorry history of positive drug tests if you follow various links.

Wonder if Nibali will get out in time for the TdF. Wonder what will happen to Tinkoff Saxo...


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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2015, 07:52:27 am »
Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Will the UCI just makes an example of Astana or will they have the balls to continue cleaning out teams? I plump for the former.

Will Astana riders and staff aggregate in another team/s? Probably.
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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2015, 08:11:25 am »
What I find odd is how they managed so many positive tests at Astana and so many fewer elsewhere. Of course the 'reason' for the request is inconsistencies between stated policy and practice revealed in the audit, but it makes you wonder. Not sure a Ferrari coached athlete would test positive.

Agree, making and example - the grand public gesture - is more likely than really changing cycling's historic culture. Have to wonder if the best coaches have suddenly all decided to work within a much tighter set of constraints and how riders recover from workload.

Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2015, 11:09:22 am »
.......... and how riders recover from workload.

Not very well sometimes when you working for certain teams:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/02/news/kessiakoff-says-astana-mistreatment-cut-career-short_361792

Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2015, 01:12:39 pm »
.......... and how riders recover from workload.

Not very well sometimes when you working for certain teams:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/02/news/kessiakoff-says-astana-mistreatment-cut-career-short_361792


Not good. Sounds like extreme overtraining and no support from the team. The medical background is pretty well trodden, so no excuse. Wonder if the commentary around the dope brothers suggests that it is not actually a part of the team contract, but something that remains down to the individuals. Of course, if they are then pushed to the point where they need hGH and testosterone to recover that could be viewed as making the team complicit.

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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 05:41:07 pm »

Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2015, 07:37:46 am »
I wonder if the strict Astana monitoring includes regular checking of Greg Henderson's twitter feed.

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Re: Astana Team Under Review After Positive Tests
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2015, 06:29:04 am »
If that's indicative of the use of performance-enhancing drugs then they're craptacular ones.  Struggled through the opening stage and quit before stage ten?
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