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Re: Base training
« Reply #1925 on: May 21, 2020, 08:39:08 am »
I started Traditional Base last week. I had to stretch 4 times in the 1hr 15 of Whorl on Sunday.
Fletcher yesterday, which is 1 hour 30 minutes and with an IF of 0.68. I gave up at 45 minutes after having to stop 3 times to stretch my hip/psoas.
I give up. Gonna wait on my MRI letter and hope not to get too fat.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1926 on: May 21, 2020, 09:43:57 am »
I'm wondering whether my recent hamstring disaster which has put me totally out of action for weeks was partly due to the TrainerRoad pedal technique sessions. 

I have always had tight hamstrings - I know this from Pilates.  They are under-used and inflexible, but have never caused me any real problem, so other than stretching I pretty much ignore them.

It was only when finishing the TR base month, which included quite a few "clock" intervals requiring to pull through the bottom of the stroke, that I borked the hamstring while running.  Coincidence? Did I overdo the pulling?  Who knows, but I'll be avoiding these when/if I resume.

EDIT: Come to think of it, the single-leg exercises also put a lot of strain on the hamstrings and did actually feel quite painful at the time.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1927 on: May 21, 2020, 10:31:17 am »
I don't do the single leg exercises. I think that without a really good core then they are actively bad for my technique as I use my pelvis in an attempt to smooth everything out. At least the clock exercises have the other leg along for assistance.
Commiserations on the hamstring. Take your recovery gently and don't push it too far too fast. Mine's never got back to 100% after I pulled it almost 20 years ago (and then tried to come back far too fast to help the team I was playing for).

Re: Base training
« Reply #1928 on: May 21, 2020, 11:08:26 am »
I don't do the pedaling exercises. They're a load of rubbish. I've always assumed that they just put them in sessions that would otherwise be too boring for those with short attention spans, rather than for actual training benefit.

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Re: Base training
« Reply #1929 on: May 21, 2020, 03:36:59 pm »
I avoid most of the drills. The workouts are hard enough already. I have been told my pedaling style is “punchy” which is probably coach speak for grossly inefficient.

S2L

Re: Base training
« Reply #1930 on: May 21, 2020, 03:50:05 pm »
100 seconds at 6 W/kg this morning... quite pleased... until I look at people who can hold that for an hour...  ::-)

Re: Base training
« Reply #1931 on: May 21, 2020, 06:08:22 pm »
I have been told my pedaling style is “punchy” which is probably coach speak for grossly inefficient.

 ;D 

I'm going to follow the advice here and ignore the drills when I re-start TR.  If it feels wrong it's probably wrong!

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Re: Base training
« Reply #1932 on: May 21, 2020, 06:28:00 pm »
I don't do the pedaling exercises. They're a load of rubbish. I've always assumed that they just put them in sessions that would otherwise be too boring for those with short attention spans, rather than for actual training benefit.
Same.

Particularly as a lardarse, I am never going to be a spinner, stop trying to make me do 1w/kg @ 100rpm.

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Re: Base training
« Reply #1933 on: May 22, 2020, 09:02:20 am »
I avoid most of the drills. The workouts are hard enough already. I have been told my pedaling style is “punchy” which is probably coach speak for grossly inefficient.

I've seen criticism elsewhere of single leg drills.   I've never done them or had them prescribed.

I'm using my fixed race bike on the turbo and  using only one resistance setting.   Threshold work at 120rpm on the tri-bars is interesting but I am getting there.   Most work is between 90 and 110rpm which is a normal range for me.   I have been able to max out at 170rpm on short top end efforts.

LMT

Re: Base training
« Reply #1934 on: May 22, 2020, 09:25:03 am »
Pedalling exercises are fine if done right, the issue here is TR making you pull up through the stroke which is bad form.

Re: Base training
« Reply #1935 on: May 26, 2020, 12:19:03 pm »
I rode outside yesterday for the first time in 2020!
Had to stop halfway around a 25km loop to stretch my psoas/hip. I guess being outside and getting to stand up/freewheel/move around is not much better for it than sitting on the turbo. It's super tight today, even just sitting in my (new, nice) office chair. It's really got to me now - I'm not interested in training or even listening to performance type cycling podcasts (TR, FastTalk, Fascat, CX Radio). I'm going to put the bike away for a bit and find something else to do - there's no point in just keeping digging myself a bigger hole. :(