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RideHard

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Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« on: October 05, 2015, 02:08:20 pm »
Steam Ride SR 2016
www.steamride.co.uk
 
Due to the limited number of ferry places, priorty given to those who are completeing Steam SR :
*** DO NOT apply before  Steamride 400km is completed  for Group PERM
      STRICTLY LIMITED PLACES for Raid Paris on June 4th ***
PERMANENTS can be ridden at any other time

The 600km ride planned for 4th June 2016 - as a Raid Paris
Option of 400km 1-way, 600km (100km optional prelude to Newhaven) & 700km round trips.

Steam Ride London - Paris - London : Golden Arrow Fleche d'Or (700)
           http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/TS03/   
Steam Ride London - Paris : Golden Arrow Fleche d'Or (600)
          http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/TS04/   
Steam Ride London - Paris : Golden Arrow Fleche d'Or (436)
          http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/TS06/   

An Anglo-French adventure, exploring some of France's most rural scenery, cycle along country roads. to a schedule that best suits your own abilities and riding style. WWW links, gps tracks to enable you to plan for your ride.
Ferry crossings need to be booked in advance via Newhaven-Dieppe 11pm-5am overnight, hourly returns via P&O Ferries Calais for the 600km & 700km. The 400km route is via Calais to Paris Gard du Nord. This is an X-rated event - so, the ride is Audax at it's most litteral and exciting.

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ACH SR: Dean 300; Steam Ride LOL 200; Quainton Express 100; University Challenge 600; London Circuit 400; C2C; Hadrian's Wall; Chiltern Pub Crawl

Aunt Maud

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 07:09:27 pm »
Have you figured out that route sheet yet, as I have a post PBP dinner with The ACP in Paris on the 7th November and was going to ride down.

Yours, AM

mattc

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 07:20:26 pm »
A really interresting idea (although perhaps only suited to those living a short ride from Victoria/Marble Arch).

Some constructive criticsm, phrased in a way that will not sound at all positive (cos I'm lazy - sorry!):
- its very confusing which ports these routes use
- cant we have at least an outline map? (controls would  be nice too)
- linking to your steamride site is just annoying - when you get there, you just find some waffle about other rides and a link back to the aukweb.net page that you  started from!!!
- 5am is a daft time to start a "full-value" 700km

Love,
Matty
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alfapete

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 07:23:17 pm »
Looking for a 600 for my first (very tentative) SR - but if it's 400km to Paris how does the 600km work? Sorry for my ignorance
but please notice how much more polite I am than mattc
alfapete - that's the Pete that drives the Alfa

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 07:43:04 pm »
This looks good but as others have commented not sure on routing and timings. If the 700 goes via new haven, over night boat, how does the start time work, would it be a 4pm start from London?  Also would the crossing time be part of the riding time. May be Dover to Paris and Dieppe for return, handy for a good sleep. Like the structure of the SR should be fun.
It's all about the breakfast

RideHard

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 07:44:58 pm »
Looking for a 600 for my first (very tentative) SR - but if it's 400km to Paris how does the 600km work? Sorry for my ignorance
but please notice how much more polite I am than mattc

Steam Ride SR 2016
www.steamride.co.uk  (* Sept-Nov added after Spring Steam Rides)
NB Total FLEXIBILITY .. start when you like & ride as Often as you like.... except I'm arranging a 'Raid Paris' on the w/e of the 4th June 2016, for friends & acquaintances from my Steam Ride SR

Choice of 200:
Steam Ride : LOL Ghan                        http://aukweb.net/events/detail/16-599/
Steam Ride : Ghan reversed
Steam Ride : Chiltern Pub Crawl          http://aukweb.net/events/detail/15-601/ https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=93270.0

300 :
Steam Ride : University Challenge       http://aukweb.net/events/detail/16-607/

Choice of  400:
Steamride :London Circuit                   http://aukweb.net/events/detail/16-615/
Golden Arrow (Fleche D'Ord) 436    NB Start from Victoria Station  or Paris Gare du Nord
** 30 hrs 29min  including Calais - Dover crossing **

* AUK PERMS --> can be ridden at any time of the year. I'm arranging a Group PERM ("Raid Paris") for 4th June 2016   
Thanks Matty :)  Perms can start at any time of day too :)  So if a group wanted to ride the reverse direction, Paris to London 400.. fine!

Choice of 600 :  --> via East Grinstead (new home to the Golden Arrow:)  .. nice dining carriages too ;)
* Golden Arrow (Fleche D'ord) 600      NB Start is From Victoria Station or Dieppe (optional prologue to Dieppe)
** 41 hrs 57min  including Calais - Dover crossing ** (

* Golden Arrow (Fleche D'Ord) 700      NB Start is From Marble Arch via Paris-  finish Marble Arch
** 52hrs 30min  including both Newhaven-Dieppe & Calais-Dover crossing **
ACH SR: Dean 300; Steam Ride LOL 200; Quainton Express 100; University Challenge 600; London Circuit 400; C2C; Hadrian's Wall; Chiltern Pub Crawl

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 07:48:12 pm »
The clock doesn't stop while you are on the ferry. Think of it as a moving control.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Aunt Maud

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 07:53:38 pm »
Whatch out for the Dieppe boat with the rumbly bearing, you won't get much sleep.

Martin

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 08:10:22 pm »
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- linking to your steamride site is just annoying - when you get there, you just find some waffle about other rides and a link back to the aukweb.net page that you  started from!!!

+1 for all Steam Rides; btw what is the new route of the Golden Arrow? it doesn't exist! unless you mean the VSOE which uses the Tunnel

The clock doesn't stop while you are on the ferry. Think of it as a moving control.

I'm sure that's not the case for the 200 that does the IoW with a ferry both ways; definitely more time allowance on that

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 08:14:59 pm »
The On and Off Shore 200 (and clock) starts once you get off the 1st ferry. The other 2 ferries are after the ride starts, so within the normal time limit.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

Martin

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 08:24:11 pm »
The On and Off Shore 200 (and clock) starts once you get off the 1st ferry. The other 2 ferries are after the ride starts, so within the normal time limit.

I know the ride starts when you get off the ferry but I'll check this year's brevet card;

as an aside I did a DIY 200 which used a ferry earlier in the year; is the distance you are sitting on a ferry and not riding included in the total? google maps seems to think so (I made sure I subtracted it)

alfapete

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 08:28:59 pm »
So let's see if I've got this right. I can start in London, go via Dover and return to Dieppe - that seems to be about 600km, and if I do it on June 4th it's a group Perm. But I'll probably still be on my own as there are so many options everyone might be starting from somewhere different at a different time. Though I will be benefitting from your routesheet.

Or is this just a catalyst to get groups together to ride as an Arrow, and for teams to choose the distance/course to suit themselves? If so I'm up for a full value team
alfapete - that's the Pete that drives the Alfa

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 08:32:40 pm »
The On and Off Shore 200 (and clock) starts once you get off the 1st ferry. The other 2 ferries are after the ride starts, so within the normal time limit.

I know the ride starts when you get off the ferry but I'll check this year's brevet card;

The event page says an 0715 start in Lymington, and a 13hr 28min time limit (for 202km)

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as an aside I did a DIY 200 which used a ferry earlier in the year; is the distance you are sitting on a ferry and not riding included in the total? google maps seems to think so (I made sure I subtracted it)

99% sure the ferry-powered distance doesn't count (might be an argument the other way if you were crossing by pedalo) and that it therefore needs manual correction.

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 08:42:22 pm »


(they weren't very good engines apart from the boiler; British Railways rebuilt most of them into a more conventional form and they worked a lot better.  The valve gear and steam reverser were atrocious)
Never tell me the odds.

Martin

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 09:05:36 pm »


(they weren't very good engines apart from the boiler; British Railways rebuilt most of them into a more conventional form and they worked a lot better.  The valve gear and steam reverser were atrocious)

[anorak]

what you have there is an unrebuilt Merchant Navy / Battle of Britain (more commonly known as a Spam can) not a Golden Arrow; that was the name of the train not the loco :)

the rebuilt versions were described as the bastard offspring of a BR and SR engine can't remember which

But they looked a lot nicer; witness Clan Line



the only kettle I've ever been on the main line behind; in 1999

/[anorak]

Aunt Maud

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2015, 09:08:26 pm »
Your picture's not working Martin.

Cycling Daddy

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2015, 09:26:15 pm »
I would imagine that the refernce to Golden Arrow's current home is the carriage that the Bluebell line a has?
Too much sanity may be madness. And maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it should be.”
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Martin

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2015, 10:44:57 pm »
I would imagine that the refernce to Golden Arrow's current home is the carriage that the Bluebell line a has?

3 in fact; but the chance of seeing them on this ride (unless it happens to be on a Sunday lunchtime) unlikely

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2015, 09:36:10 pm »
An interesting option for those living on the continent would be starting it in Dover and finishing in Calais. Is that possible?

RideHard

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2015, 01:35:48 pm »
An interesting option for those living on the continent would be starting it in Dover and finishing in Calais. Is that possible?

Yes, it is possible to start in Dover and finish in Calais, as you can start at any control in a circular Audax.. Golden Arrow (Fleche D'or) 700   :thumbsup:

But.. I had planned for it to start in London Marble Arch, so it's a straight 100km to Newhaven for the overnight-ferry (sleep-dinner control) as it was afterwork Friday and to TEAM UP with the Golden Arrow (Fleche D'or) 600 group, who maybe took an earlier crossing or came over on Friday overnight or did the 'prelude'..
The Dieppe ferrys don't run frequently, www.aferry.co.uk   so you don't want to miss that crossing ::-)
But on the plus side, maybe 240km in yer legs would be a better time to cross..  it's all about the timing, as you'll have to figure in 45min check-in time ;)

refernce to Golden Arrow's current home
You guessed it, we'll be calling in at East Grinstead, where trips on the Golden Arrow run :)
ACH SR: Dean 300; Steam Ride LOL 200; Quainton Express 100; University Challenge 600; London Circuit 400; C2C; Hadrian's Wall; Chiltern Pub Crawl

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2015, 05:00:19 pm »
An interesting option for those living on the continent would be starting it in Dover and finishing in Calais. Is that possible?

Yes, it is possible to start in Dover and finish in Calais, as you can start at any control in a circular Audax.. Golden Arrow (Fleche D'or) 700   :thumbsup:

But.. I had planned for it to start in London Marble Arch, so it's a straight 100km to Newhaven for the overnight-ferry (sleep-dinner control) as it was afterwork Friday and to TEAM UP with the Golden Arrow (Fleche D'or) 600 group, who maybe took an earlier crossing or came over on Friday overnight or did the 'prelude'..
The Dieppe ferrys don't run frequently, www.aferry.co.uk   so you don't want to miss that crossing ::-)
But on the plus side, maybe 240km in yer legs would be a better time to cross..  it's all about the timing, as you'll have to figure in 45min check-in time ;)

refernce to Golden Arrow's current home
You guessed it, we'll be calling in at East Grinstead, where trips on the Golden Arrow run :)

Interesting. I've already done my provisional scheduling for 2016 but if I have to revamp the planning, this might be an interesting option.

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2015, 06:41:34 pm »
I appear to have received an personal e-mail informing of these events.

Anyone know why I received the e0-mail and how my e-mail address was obtained?

Cycling Daddy

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2015, 07:48:07 pm »
Have you done another Steam Ride perhaps??
Too much sanity may be madness. And maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it should be.”
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billyam998

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Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2015, 07:53:22 pm »
I appear to have received an personal e-mail informing of these events.

Anyone know why I received the e0-mail and how my e-mail address was obtained?

I did wonder exactly the same thing  ???
 

Re: Steam Ride SR 2016 + RAID PARIS 400km, 600km, 700km
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2015, 07:54:17 pm »
Have you done another Steam Ride perhaps??

Nope!

But the rides look great and I'm interested.

Also interested as to how the e-mail arose as it has been a first in terms of informing me of an event.

I would not have been surprised to receive one saying something like "please don't bother entering"!