Author Topic: [HAMR] More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)  (Read 42843 times)

Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #100 on: January 14, 2016, 11:42:31 am »
I'm assuming his passport is up to date? Why the heck isn't he somewhere warm and flat?

Many of his supporters (certainly on FaceBook) are regularly praising him for doing it the "real" way - i.e. as opposed to how Kurt broke the record, which they presumably think was cheating in some way.  If Steve were to use the same tactics (which I agree he probably should if at all possible) then I wonder what those people would have to say - not that I'd care!

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #101 on: January 14, 2016, 11:54:34 am »
Steve has already compromised his original "real" approach.  Transfers and a non-1 January start are two examples.

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #102 on: January 14, 2016, 11:55:27 am »
Many of his supporters (certainly on FaceBook) are regularly praising him for doing it the "real" way - i.e. as opposed to how Kurt broke the record, which they presumably think was cheating in some way.

Some people don't like to think. Such is life.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2016, 12:00:05 pm »
Will all the details be next to Kurt's record?  Will his helper be mentioned or share the record?

Are pace-makers remembered?

Purity and "real way" are very much subjective.  If rules permit then so be it.  Do we discredit any TDF winners or the Team GB cyclists for not achieving what they did the "real way"?  And what is the "real way" anyway?

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2016, 12:05:14 pm »
As you say the 'real way' is very subjective.

You go by the rules, and the strategy for the attempt and your approach go on from there.

As for the reason why he does not go abroad, imo the reason for this would be the logistics of it and the support structure that he has at his home. I don't know how much of the day to day things his support does and whether this would increase the burden on Steve, more than likely I'd have thought.

Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #105 on: January 14, 2016, 12:22:09 pm »
Do we discredit any TDF winners or the Team GB cyclists for not achieving what they did the "real way"?  And what is the "real way" anyway?

Starting in the same place each day to where you stopped the previous day for a start, which they don't in the TdF.
it's not really the tour de france, more "a series of rides all most of which happen to be in france".
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #106 on: January 14, 2016, 01:15:55 pm »
And they aren't tourists! If they were there would be panniers, tea rooms, pubs and quite possibly, camping gear. :D
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2016, 01:23:09 pm »
And they aren't tourists! If they were there would be panniers, tea rooms, pubs and quite possibly, camping gear. :D

Is Steve carrying all that kit?  Did Kurt carry all that kit?

Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2016, 01:23:59 pm »
And they aren't tourists! If they were there would be panniers, tea rooms, pubs and quite possibly, camping gear. :D

I thought Tour came from the French for circuit or lap.

Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2016, 01:35:30 pm »
Many of his supporters (certainly on FaceBook) are regularly praising him for doing it the "real" way - i.e. as opposed to how Kurt broke the record, which they presumably think was cheating in some way.

Some people don't like to think. Such is life.

Perhaps Usain Bolt should wear old leather spikes, heavy flannel shorts and run on a cinder track if he wants his 100m world record to be "real".

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2016, 01:56:36 pm »
I remember reading Michael Hutchinson's hilarious account of trying to build a bike that complied with the old UCI Hour record standards, because none of the components were manufactured to that spec any more.  Admittedly he is a skilled satirist and was trying to bend the rules as much as possible, but it does indicate a problem with trying to standardise a record. 

Even with that, hour record hunters are looking for the right track and atmospheric conditions.  As mentioned above the rules is the rules.  Use them wisely. 

I've always been impressed with Steve's fortitude, have no intention of coaching him (as I couldn't possibly ride 200 miles a day back to back in this weather) and will keep my thoughs on whether he will succeed or not private.

However, for those advising a 1 January 2017 relaunch there are some practical considerations, which I don't think have got much airtime: what does Steve do for the next 11 months and, if he does, his one year time trial will then have extended (effectively) to 3 years.  That's more than a chunk out of anyone's life.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2016, 02:35:15 pm »
Steve has already compromised his original "real" approach.  Transfers and a non-1 January start are two examples.
And his first (finished) attempt was mega-compromised by using a recumbent!  (Admittedly, he was quite heroically pedalling it with one leg, but that's a minor detail...)

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2016, 02:52:16 pm »
The record is hard enough even with the most modern of equipment, which Kurt had and he *only* beat it by 1.3%

The Guinness Book of Records won't print what equipment was used. It will give a name and number. Period.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #113 on: January 14, 2016, 02:55:53 pm »
However, for those advising a 1 January 2017 relaunch there are some practical considerations, which I don't think have got much airtime: what does Steve do for the next 11 months...

Wind down and get reacquainted with real life for a while. Train to be able to complete the required distances in a shorter elapsed time. Get a part time job to get some grounding in reality back (including regular human contact). Critically review the last 2 years (including the original prep time). Work out the finances. Review all of the decisions made. What worked? What didn't? What could be better/easier/faster/etc? Review equipment choices. Review the approach/plan. Review the numerous suggestions for things he could have done. Research alternatives, try them out. Review the diet during the wind down time, build/train time, and during the future attempt. Staff the new attempt. Come up with the new plan. Communicate it. Etc. Etc.

I don't think this needs all 11 months, so I don't see why he should abandon his current attempt any time soon (barring major/critical problems). He'll make that decision if he decides he's got to the point that it looks like too much. (Obviously I hope it continues to be within his grasp.)

And, as you say, whether he could face another full attempt starting 1st Jan 2017 is something that only Steve knows; whether it will be necessary is something no-one knows with any certainty at the moment.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #114 on: January 14, 2016, 03:05:03 pm »
Just out of interest. Kurt was interviewed in this week's comic and gave the following insights:-

Q: Does Steve Abraham have a chance?

A: If he doesn't get out of England, no. If he'd had a different plan for the winter, he definitely have had a chance.

Q: Godwin, is the comparison fair?


..But if I'd had to do it in England I wouldn't have broken the record, there's no way in hell I'd be riding in the cold. I know that will make the Tommy fans happy.

Great humility from Kurt in my view and underpinning the fact that there are no givens when taking on the challenge over here.


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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2016, 03:13:30 pm »
Steve's schedule has been updated by the team: http://oneyeartimetrial.org.uk/the-preparation and their overall target reduced to 76,258.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2016, 03:17:45 pm »
Many of his supporters (certainly on FaceBook) are regularly praising him for doing it the "real" way - i.e. as opposed to how Kurt broke the record, which they presumably think was cheating in some way.

Some people don't like to think. Such is life.

Perhaps Usain Bolt should wear old leather spikes, heavy flannel shorts and run on a cinder track if he wants his 100m world record to be "real".
Perhaps the people on the london marathon should get the tube every so often. ;)
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2016, 03:21:35 pm »
However, for those advising a 1 January 2017 relaunch there are some practical considerations, which I don't think have got much airtime: what does Steve do for the next 11 months
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2016, 03:22:00 pm »
Didn't Tommy get car transport and pacing etc?

There's so much we don't know about his attempt it's hard to compare what's "real"

Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2016, 03:24:19 pm »
He'll make that decision if he decides he's got to the point that it looks like too much.
See I don't think that will happen because I don't think he devotes much time at all to evaluating what his remaining chances are. So he's got no idea how far "behind" or not he is. As far as he's concerned all he's going to do is just pedal as far as he thinks he can every day till august and if he gets it, he gets it, if he doesn't, he doesn't. He hasn't got time to sit down and do maths  and work out the numbers for required mpd increase like we have.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #120 on: January 14, 2016, 03:30:50 pm »
Clearly someone on the team has an eye to what needs to be done - hence the new and slightly more realistic schedule.  A little bit hamstrung, really, into choosing a figure greater than or equal to 76076.   There's only so much longer that you can keep absorbing past losses into re-evaluated schedules, mind.

Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #121 on: January 14, 2016, 03:33:59 pm »
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Steve's schedule has been updated by the team: http://oneyeartimetrial.org.uk/the-preparation and their overall target reduced to 76,258.

I'm not sure the Team necessarily know either. Some of those dates/distances don't quite match up with Strava. As far as I can see they have confused what happened over last weekend and stuck in a 200 mile ride which didn't happen. (should be a 188 in there somewhere.) According to Strava at any rate.

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #122 on: January 14, 2016, 03:37:23 pm »
Well, I got halfway to work and turned around and went home again after twenty minutes riding into the freezing sleet. Currently at the computer working at home with a fleece blanket on. If I could go and do winter in the south of France or Spain or anywhere that is as you say, 'warm and flat', I'd be there, purity and dogged Britishness be damned!! I hate winter, and I always forget how much I hate it until it comes back again.

I really hope that Steve can do it, but I admit that it doesn't look very promising at the moment.

There is a cause for hope however: the Daily Express have predicted the coldest winter in 100 years so it's surely going to be one of the warmest ever?

We can hope so! I reckon ice might just be the last straw.
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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #123 on: January 14, 2016, 04:05:15 pm »
Well, I got halfway to work and turned around and went home again after twenty minutes riding into the freezing sleet. Currently at the computer working at home with a fleece blanket on. If I could go and do winter in the south of France or Spain or anywhere that is as you say, 'warm and flat', I'd be there, purity and dogged Britishness be damned!! I hate winter, and I always forget how much I hate it until it comes back again.

I really hope that Steve can do it, but I admit that it doesn't look very promising at the moment.

There is a cause for hope however: the Daily Express have predicted the coldest winter in 100 years so it's surely going to be one of the warmest ever?

We can hope so! I reckon ice might just be the last straw.

This weekend is likely to see the coldest weather in the UK for a few years. This cold spell will last into next week, after that it's more uncertain. We haven't had an airfrost at my weather station in south Oxfordshire since November. I'm expecting that to change tonight.

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Re: More thoughts on the current record attempt(s)
« Reply #124 on: January 14, 2016, 04:12:39 pm »
Just out of interest. Kurt was interviewed in this week's comic and gave the following insights:-

Q: Does Steve Abraham have a chance?

A: If he doesn't get out of England, no. If he'd had a different plan for the winter, he definitely have had a chance.

Q: Godwin, is the comparison fair?


..But if I'd had to do it in England I wouldn't have broken the record, there's no way in hell I'd be riding in the cold. I know that will make the Tommy fans happy.

Great humility from Kurt in my view and underpinning the fact that there are no givens when taking on the challenge over here.



Interesting, CF, I'll look forward to reading the whole thing when I get home.