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1001 Miglia registration is now open
« on: January 09, 2016, 11:04:03 pm »
You can register here http://www.1001migliaitalia.it/other/register/index.php?lang=en

I don't get why they require a "medical certificate issued by a sports medicine released after 02 - December - 2015, stating that they [the participant] are physically fit to cover the distance of 1602 km without risks and contraindications for their health." who would be willing to state something like that about anyone??

LMT

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 11:26:38 pm »
Regarding the license and personal liability documents to be provided, I presume that this is the proof of membership for AUK? In addition being a member of AUK you are covered for personal liability? If this is the case any idea where you would get these items?

And yes getting a Doctor's certificate is a bit strange given the circumstances.

You have to wear a helemt as well. :facepalm:

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 11:43:21 pm »
On the insurance front, it's worth noting that AUK membership only covers you for 3rd party liability during AUK events taking place in the UK. Other memberships, household insurance or travel insurance policies are likely to be more fruitful ... (And I'd suggest travel insurance is a good idea anyway, even though it's in the EU and even if you have a valid EHIC - if something dreadful happens, someone who'll sort out repatriation will be very useful indeed.)

LMT

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 11:53:17 pm »
Thanks for that, I'll take out a seperate policy. I've noted that you can print off a copy of your membership card from AUK's website as they want a copy of this as well. I presume they do when they say 'license'.

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 01:48:02 am »
There seems to have been a change in Italian sport insurance/regulations since 2014.

A 'medical certificate' was required for L'Eroica in October 2015, and hadn't been in previous years.

Details at http://www.eroicagaiole.com/medical-certificate

[I did wonder if the change was a result of the sad death of a participant in October 2014, a fit club cyclist doing one of the shorter routes.]

FWIW, I downloaded a facsimile medical certificate off an Italian running site, amended the title/distance/date as appropriate and got my GP to sign it..   ;)

"Buona fortuna!"   :thumbsup:


ETA: Here's the original 'medical certificate': https://www.lmhm.it/images/pdf/2014/CertificatoMedicoStranieri_ENG_LMHM2014.pdf

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 07:26:29 am »
There are a number of deaths each year because of undiagnosed heart conditions. Since the doctor could find nothing wrong with me three months before I came to a grinding halt and had two stents fitted I wonder what practical use this is. I had an ECG and step machine test and was well above average, but knew something was not right. Doctor would have signed me off.  ???

But if it is required then I would just get it done. This is so far from what most people consider normal who would sign anyone off?

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 07:36:32 am »
The medical certificate has been a standard procedure at the Maratona for many years. Usually you are exempted if you can provide a valid license from your national cycling body such as British Cycling.

BTW, has anyone received their confirmation mail yet? I registered yesterday and got the message that I had successfully pre-registered and should wait for my email to finish registration. But I have received no mail yet. Anyone with more luck here?

LMT

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 09:15:35 am »
The medical certificate has been a standard procedure at the Maratona for many years. Usually you are exempted if you can provide a valid license from your national cycling body such as British Cycling.

BTW, has anyone received their confirmation mail yet? I registered yesterday and got the message that I had successfully pre-registered and should wait for my email to finish registration. But I have received no mail yet. Anyone with more luck here?

Mine came through although it took a few minutes.

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 05:47:25 pm »
The medical certificate has been a standard procedure at the Maratona for many years. Usually you are exempted if you can provide a valid license from your national cycling body such as British Cycling.

I have checked the rules and it is not that clear. You can read:

Article 2: Conditions of admission
[...]
• foreigners who are not in possession of license year 2016, must be in possession of a medical certificate issued by a
sports doctor and a personal liability insurance for the year 2016.
• are in possession of a medical certificate issued by a sports medicine released after 02 - December - 2015, stating that
they are physically fit to cover the distance of 1602 km without risks and contraindications for their health.


And then a bit below:

list of documents to be sent no later than June 30, 2016 are:
[...]
• Foreigners
1) License card: photocopy of the license card valid for the year 2016 on front and back
2) medical certificate issued by a sports doctor and dated after 1/2/2016
3) Insurance policy a photocopy of the personal insurance valid for 2016.
4 °) Receipt of the payment made in Euros with the amount, the statement "registation 1001MigliaItalia 2016", and the name
of the cyclist .


I have sent an email to the organization asking for a clarification. I'll report back when I get an answer.
BTW, has anyone received their confirmation mail yet? I registered yesterday and got the message that I had successfully pre-registered and should wait for my email to finish registration. But I have received no mail yet. Anyone with more luck here?

I registered yesterday and still haven't received my confirmation email. Will wait a couple of days before assuming there was any problem.


Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 06:09:57 pm »
An AUK membership card is actually proof of very little except that there's been a payment received from someone purporting to be the person named on the card. It doesn't prove the person on the front actually exists nor gives any indication of their health (nor technically that they're even alive).
It didn't look at all like that in the photographs

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2016, 06:49:07 pm »
This medical certificate stuff seems like a daft step backwards. Didnt PBP get rid of these cos they were impractical?

Plus - as posted earlier - what possible test is a GP going to apply to asses "fitness to ride 1600km".

Oh well ... era of arse-covering ...
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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 01:57:47 pm »
Have now entered - This will me my fourth time doing this fine event!!!

Regarding the insurance, British Cycling membership should cover third party liability, with no excess (if you happen to be a member, that is).

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 02:00:21 pm »
...And a confirmation email within three minutes!  :thumbsup:
with the following:
"Payment - Please Pay Registration before it expires on  27-01-2016"
So fair enough, the do have to plan and organise with certainty.

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 03:20:51 pm »
Just arrived back at Gatwick. This was the hardest ride to date for me (3rd time Miglia1001)!!
The heat was so intense - the wind from the fields even hotter and by mid-afternoon, the Tarmac radiated heat!
3 days and 4 nights on the road with 3 sleep breaks for an hour-ish each.
Still, the scenery was stunning and the mountain descents fantastic!
I think three times is enough for me :-)

Have now entered - This will me my fourth time doing this fine event!!!

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 04:34:12 pm »
I've come across this medical certificate requirement several times over the years for mainland europe outdoor activities.  Directly myself for caving + running and via acquaintances for other activities.  So whilst from a UK perspective I agree it seems pointless, culturally in France, Italy etc it probably makes perfect sense.  It's been a while now but I seem to recall taking the same approach as this:
FWIW, I downloaded a facsimile medical certificate off an Italian running site, amended the title/distance/date as appropriate and got my GP to sign it..   ;)
"Buona fortuna!"   :thumbsup:
ETA: Here's the original 'medical certificate': https://www.lmhm.it/images/pdf/2014/CertificatoMedicoStranieri_ENG_LMHM2014.pdf

Good luck to all those who enter, looks like jolly good fun  :thumbsup:

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2016, 06:37:12 pm »
PBP was definitely in France! (geographically and culturally).

Its the biggest multi-day audax going, with the most data on casualties-n-stuff.
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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2016, 11:51:03 am »
Just arrived back at Gatwick. This was the hardest ride to date for me (3rd time Miglia1001)!!
The heat was so intense - the wind from the fields even hotter and by mid-afternoon, the Tarmac radiated heat!
3 days and 4 nights on the road with 3 sleep breaks for an hour-ish each.
Still, the scenery was stunning and the mountain descents fantastic!
I think three times is enough for me :-)

Have now entered - This will me my fourth time doing this fine event!!!

No comment.

This is why the event is only every four years. Plenty of time to recover and forget how bad it was. Come on John, get your entry in.
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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2016, 05:18:51 pm »
This medical certificate stuff seems like a daft step backwards. Didnt PBP get rid of these cos they were impractical?

Plus - as posted earlier - what possible test is a GP going to apply to asses "fitness to ride 1600km".

Oh well ... era of arse-covering ...
Talking of arse-covering, I remember the certificate my doctor produced for 1001 Miglia 2010. It basically said 'Peter M suffers from (insert every condition he has ever treated me for...!), and can do long distance cycling'. For that he charged me about £25. They didn't read it anyhow. Better to print your own, I think. ;)
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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2016, 05:51:36 pm »
he charged me about £25. They didn't read it anyhow. Better to print your own, I think. ;)
One might be tempted to make up a random name and forge the whole thing - after all, they'll never check.

ISTC being told of a chap in a velomobile on PBP who produced the necessary health certificate then had a heart attack while pedalling and getting him out of the velomobile was really difficult. So those forms are meaningless, hence their abandonment I assume. That and some people turning up with them written in Japanese, Russian or Greek script.

That form has this wonderful phrase: "This Sport Medical Certificate is considered valid to practice sport at agonistic level". Priceless.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2016, 08:25:28 pm »
I finally got word from the organization.

First answer was: "if you are affiliated to a club, you have certainly done a medical release, so you can produce this document by sending a copy as provided in Regulation art. 3"

When I wrote back telling them that you can get a British License (and also a Spanish Cycling Federation license) without going through any medical assessment they answered back: "I'm sorry but the Italian Rules ask for a Medical Certificate so you will need to produce one"

Lets see if I manage to convince my GP that I'm "physically fit to cover the distance of 1602 km without risks and contraindications for their health". It'll be funny to see his face when I ask for the certificate :)

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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 08:35:19 pm »
You shouldn't have told them that...
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Re: 1001 Miglia registration is now open
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2016, 10:20:45 pm »

Lets see if I manage to convince my GP that I'm "physically fit to cover the distance of 1602 km without risks and contraindications for their health". It'll be funny to see his face when I ask for the certificate :)

I remember having to do this for PBP in 2003. I'd been registered with the GP for about four years and it was the first time I had made an appointment to see him.  He glanced at my file, asked me (somewhat incredulously) to explain what PBP was, and then said he would happily sign the letter that I had already prepared stating that I was physically capable etc, so long as he could add a postscript that he made no warranty as to my mental state.
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