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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #125 on: March 19, 2018, 08:55:41 pm »
Stick with it.  You should find that, like me, your recovery, between hard intervals (on the Turbo or on the road) is improved no end.  My heart rate, after a hard interval, drops back to recovery very quickly now.  In the real-world that means I'm ready for the next hill whilst my buddies are still gasping from the last one.

I've been back on the turbo for nearly 6 months on & off and can tell I've made some reasonable progress - just that nothing was being measured until recently so no comparative numbers, and having now got some numbers it's got me more focused (motivated).

It's been very good to read the travails of others who've been at it for much longer and I've taken a good slug of encouragement from it. Just got to do the work now...

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #126 on: July 20, 2018, 10:17:44 am »
Began TR (Feb-18) with a test at 226w FTP, ~3.2w/kg.

Goal 1 is 3.5w/kg, being a ~9% increase from Feb-18. No good reason that isn't doable.

Goal 2 would be >3.7w/kg, being a further ~6% increase (or ~15% increase from today). We'll see about that, how the motivation fairs etc. Could be interesting. Beyond that is not something I'll bother wasting my brain on yet.

Update from me:

In April I gained accurate power measurement, and I've been able to determine that my initial February FTP test was overstated by ~5%, making the true numbers back then 215w and <3.1w/kg.

I've done loads of cycling during this summer's good weather, interspersed with TR sessions every so often, and have made good fitness gains. And enjoyed it (well, much of it, not the gruelling TR sessions!). An FTP test in TR this week now has me up to 3.42 w/kg, a 10% improvement on Feb's number, so that's good. Almost at my stated "Goal 1" above...

Unfortunately, it's one step forward and one back, as it seems I need surgery for something so have to knock the training on the head for now and take it easy. Not sure yet when I'll be able to restart my punishment regime. Frustrating, but such is life. Could be worse.

The positive take away for me is that I was able to make material progress in my fitness, quantifiable both on my trainer setup and out on the road, so once I'm fixed up I'll hopefully be able to jump back in and do it all again - and more!

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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #127 on: July 24, 2018, 01:08:06 pm »
I've been reflecting on this one, as I set a PB for running a marathon last October (the 11th I'd run), on trails, some muddy, beating a best that was set on the road, at age 53.

There's two things I'd consider.  Firstly, my training regime changed - I was running at least a half marathon on trails every weekend, which was the most disciplined I'd ever been at running - which clearly had an adaptation benefit.  But a big part of this was simply having a better running technique - being better balanced on rough ground and more confident at sustaining speed over awkward terrain was a big part of time saving.  I think that can be applied to cycling as well - looking at cornering, descending, and keeping momentum through those 5 - 20m dips that are so common on British roads.  That's not about more power but applying what power you have better.

Secondly, my first half marathon was run at the tender age of 47, so I didn't have any youthful bests to get in the way of setting a new PB.  I've not been able to achieve the same in cycling where my TT PBs were set in my mid 40s, about 10 years after taking up cycling seriously.  That's because I'd got close to my potential (or at least what could practically be achieved whilst remaining employed and married) at that point and since then the gradual decline of age (particularly maximum heart rate) got in the way of getting fast.  I'm just trying to slow down as little as possible.
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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #128 on: July 24, 2018, 09:21:13 pm »
Although I’m not yet in my 50s my experiences may be useful. 

I don’t do power but I returned to time trialling at the age of 40 and in the last few years have taken my 50 PB from 2:25 to 1:47 and my 100 PB from 4:58 to 3:47.  The biggest gains have been in the last 2 years when I started working with a coach.

Some of this has been down to improved aerodynamics and better kit, but there has been a lot of hours involved.   I still think there’s more to be gained as I was beaten by another forum member, who I know to be older than me, in both of those rides.

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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #129 on: December 27, 2018, 08:36:18 am »
I am now 55 and started riding again about three years ago after a 22 year layoff. When I started again I told Mrs PC I wouldn't race again but stick with my first love of touring. It wasn't long after my first tour (to Cuba) that I stumbled into audax, then last year I did a handful of TTs. On no speed training, only miles, I didn't embarrass myself but I wasn't as fast as I was in 1990.

I have now started training properly and my targets are PBs at all TT distances and the club 12h record. I am assuming that aging can be overcome by training, because I didn't take it that seriously when I was younger :-)


Third PB of the year yesterday when I did 2:05:04 in the VTTA 50 which followed last week's first sub hour 25. So far so good, riding the F11/10 next weekend so may crack my 1989 10 mile PB too 😀

Another year older and still getting faster! I did take 2" off my 1989 10 time in 2016 and another 2'40" off in 2017. This last season only saw a pb in the 100 although I could have also improved 50 and 12h had it not been for punctures.

Now I've retired I should get faster but I suspect I may start to avoid the busy roads and ride slower courses.

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #130 on: December 27, 2018, 01:54:15 pm »
Surely depends how fast you were when you were younger. I fear my 800m and 5knrunning times - we’ll all of the really - are long gone. On the bike, not so much.

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #131 on: January 09, 2019, 11:22:05 am »
Just read this thread right through.  Some inspiring stories!

I'm 51 and have lost a lot of power in the last couple of years, mostly because I've cycled far less since we had a baby and with heart surgery interrupting things last year.  Let's see what I can do to get some of it back.  Clearly, intensity rather than big miles is what is going to do it, if anything is.
 

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #132 on: January 18, 2019, 09:57:21 am »
I'm 49 and have gained some power in the last year, but that's from a low base and because it's only in the last year I've really been trying harder - joined a local cycling club, have been doing structured spinning classes over winter etc.
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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #133 on: January 18, 2019, 09:53:34 pm »
If you can bear it, a turbo trainer speeds you up in less time than anything else because it's relentless.
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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #134 on: January 21, 2019, 10:24:26 am »
If you can bear it, a turbo trainer speeds you up in less time than anything else because it's relentless.

I'm not averse to the idea, am getting on okay with the spinning classes, which I imagine are not so different. Can anyone point me towards some recommendations for a mid-price trainer unit? Must work with both Shimano and Campagnolo drivetrains and be able to cope with long derailleurs.

EDIT: have started to look at this guide: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/11/trainer-buyers-recommendations-guide.html
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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #135 on: January 21, 2019, 05:13:53 pm »
kickr core, elite direto, tacx flux s /flux 2 - all decent trainers that don't cost a lot and do the job.

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #136 on: January 21, 2019, 05:29:46 pm »
kickr core, elite direto, tacx flux s /flux 2 - all decent trainers that don't cost a lot and do the job.

Thanks, though AFAIK the current generation of Wahoo KICKR trainers do not support their Campagnolo adapter, only the older models do. Not such an issue I guess if running 11-speed, as think a Shimano 11-speed cassette has the same spacing as an 11-speed Campagnolo one, but I want to be able to use it with a 10 speed Campagnolo setup....

From reading reports on the interweb, sounds like the original Tacx Flux and even Flux S have had lot's of reliability issues, though sounds like the Flux 2 may be better in that regard.
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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #137 on: January 21, 2019, 06:01:26 pm »
If you can bear it, a turbo trainer speeds you up in less time than anything else because it's relentless.

I'm not averse to the idea, am getting on okay with the spinning classes, which I imagine are not so different. Can anyone point me towards some recommendations for a mid-price trainer unit? Must work with both Shimano and Campagnolo drivetrains and be able to cope with long derailleurs.

EDIT: have started to look at this guide: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/11/trainer-buyers-recommendations-guide.html

If you do not go for a direct drive turbo then pretty much any unit will be compatible.

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #138 on: January 21, 2019, 06:10:08 pm »
If you can bear it, a turbo trainer speeds you up in less time than anything else because it's relentless.

I'm not averse to the idea, am getting on okay with the spinning classes, which I imagine are not so different. Can anyone point me towards some recommendations for a mid-price trainer unit? Must work with both Shimano and Campagnolo drivetrains and be able to cope with long derailleurs.

EDIT: have started to look at this guide: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/11/trainer-buyers-recommendations-guide.html

If you do not go for a direct drive turbo then pretty much any unit will be compatible.

Good point, and maybe it would be a better idea not to pile it for a high end model for my first trainer, in case I end up not liking it enough.

For the wheel-on trainers, is the Wahoo Kickr Snap any good? I've been very happy with my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt / TICKR / Cadence sensor (don't have the RPM one)
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Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #139 on: January 21, 2019, 06:13:18 pm »
Don't know.  I have a Tacx Bushido smart trainer which does not need plugging in.  So I usually use it out on the patio where it is nice and cold.

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #140 on: January 21, 2019, 08:16:04 pm »
I just moved to a Bushido Smart. If you want to borrow my old Tacx Booster (wheel on dumb trainer, set the resistance and use the gears to adjust your power) to see how you like riding on a trainer then you'd be welcome. I suspect it would be easy to arrange - I live in Oxford and work in Didcot. PM me if you're interested in this idea.

Also, if anyone on this thread wants a referral to Trainer Road then PM me your email and I'll send you one (it needs to be an email that hasn't belonged to Trainer Road before).

Re: Getting faster when getting into mid 50s ? A dream or a possibility
« Reply #141 on: February 26, 2019, 07:07:14 pm »
I might have been pushing it a bit.

Went back into the cycle commute, only 10 flat miles each way, but I'm not used to it. Added kayak training (8x900m sprints) on Monday. 10km TT on Thursday (30s off my best time and best time was riding the wash of some faster people for part of the distance). Sat rode in again and did 22km at a slower pace (well, first 5km was at good speed, then I slowed down).

Sunday I collapsed. Food gave me a massive stomach ache. Slept half the afternoon. Couldn't cope with riding in to work, worked from home.
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