Author Topic: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........  (Read 3321 times)

mmmmartin

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The problem:
Ortlieb panniers come with gurt big hooks and smaller inserts for the hooks, which make the hooks fit snugly on the rails of the racks. But these little inserts are a pain: they can fall out and be lost or twist and get stuck so it's difficult to get them seated correctly. BUT if you remove them entirely, the panniers rattle. (OK, this is not the biggest problem the world faces, hence the title thread.)
The answer:
Put thick plastic tubing on the racks rails so their diameter is the same as the gurt big hooks on the Ortlieb panniers.
The "How to" section:
i bought this on eBay:

Description: Clear PVC Hose Pipe Tubing - Food Grade - Fish Pond Car Aquariums Air Line Tube [10mm ID x 16mm OD (thick wall),2.0 Metre Lengt , Item # 261408670856 Qty: 1 Unit Price: 5.24 GBP

I then cut it into lengths the same as the racks (these are the front racks from Thorn, I've also done it on the Thorn Expedition rear rack and the rear rack (Tortec I think) on the audax bike), then slit it lengthwise and popped it on (this is quite tricky as the piping is quite thick and is tough material). Like this:


Just a few tiny cable ties to hold them in place (not really necessary I suspect but I had 850 cable ties in a plastic container so why not?),
then:


some black spinnaker tape to make it look "proper" and Bob's your uncle.
so now those small tiny little miniature inserts from Ortlieb can go back into the bottom of the panniers and stop falling off/out/slipping sideways as they do.
Was this worth a fiver and an hour or so of fettling? Maybe. Of course I could have just bunged some Araldite on the little inserts so they didn't move, but then they'd be there for ever and one day I might want to remove them.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

Kim

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 05:24:04 pm »
No, this is brilliant.  I've never had a problem with the inserts, but have several perfectly good racks with inconsistent diameter tubing, and shimming the rack rather than the hook solves this neatly.
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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 06:18:09 pm »
Oh yes !  That is neat. I echo Kim's comments exactly.

Never had a problem with the inserts (though they are fiddly to remove from the pannier hook.

Getting tooled up for our last (only) family touring adventure last Summer was mildly tiresome because of the need to switch a whole bunch of the inserts over.
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woollypigs

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 07:28:47 pm »
Yup solved the problem with some inner tube and zip tie.

mmmmartin

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2016, 12:25:07 pm »
inner tube and zip tie.
I'd be interested to hear how that works because I tried it with some soft foam (found in a rubbish bin in Chile and used to protect the bike on the flight home) and experience of its use left me deciding that rigid, hard plastic was needed rather than something soft such a inner tube rubber.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

hellymedic

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2016, 01:40:03 pm »
I think I'll get David to try something like this.
We have Ortliebs and both thick and thin racks.
David was moaning about the inserts' fiddliness on Friday so this might shut him up...

mmmmartin

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2016, 06:03:17 pm »
thick and thin racks.
Judicious measuring of aforesaid racks' thickness and careful ordering on eBay should see you with racks of varying thickness end up all the same thickness, hence obviating use of fiddly inserts.

Now, if only someone could work out how to change the Ortlieb closing system so the small clip was on the out-board of the pannier instead of on the in-board side, that would be really good. Then when we had undone the pannier to extract something, we wouldn't have to spend ages lifting up all the kit strapped to the top of the rack to find the small tiny little miniature clip and then join it to the strap. This is how Vaude panniers work and it's a much better system, far more convenient.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

Kim

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2016, 06:11:35 pm »
thick and thin racks.
Judicious measuring of aforesaid racks' thickness and careful ordering on eBay should see you with racks of varying thickness end up all the same thickness, hence obviating use of fiddly inserts.

This is fine until you commit n+1 and end up with something that takes a custom rack in a tube diameter that's different from all the others.


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Now, if only someone could work out how to change the Ortlieb closing system so the small clip was on the out-board of the pannier instead of on the in-board side, that would be really good. Then when we had undone the pannier to extract something, we wouldn't have to spend ages lifting up all the kit strapped to the top of the rack to find the small tiny little miniature clip and then join it to the strap. This is how Vaude panniers work and it's a much better system, far more convenient.
Does anyone have any ideas?

I fear that might involve aggressive Sewing.  Though the obvious bodge is to get another pair of compatible clips and a length of webbing, fit it as an extension to the inboard clip, and shorten the outboard strap to compensate.
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woollypigs

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2016, 08:43:10 pm »
inner tube and zip tie.
I'd be interested to hear how that works because I tried it with some soft foam (found in a rubbish bin in Chile and used to protect the bike on the flight home) and experience of its use left me deciding that rigid, hard plastic was needed rather than something soft such a inner tube rubber.
It works just fine, nice and snug, no rattling. I think it has been on for four years on mine and heavy used. On Pelis not so long and used. But it worked just great for our tour, no sign of wear or tear. Do you want a snap?

mmmmartin

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2016, 09:18:45 pm »
obvious bodge is to get another pair of compatible clips and a length of webbing, fit it as an extension to the inboard clip, and shorten the outboard strap to compensate.
Aha! Brilliant idea. I'm on the case. Am away in forrin parts (sans bicyclette) for next few days, will look at this on my return.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

mmmmartin

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2016, 02:11:12 pm »
In fact I now realise that Ortliebs come with that shoulder strap, which in my case live in the bottom of the pannier and are hardly ever used. So I shortened it and ran the surplus strapping underneath the rubber protector for your shoulder (to keep it out of the way), and clipped it to the buckles on the pannier.

Thus:



So now I think the strap can be fastened to the inner clip on the pannier with a length of strap that is sufficiently long to obviate the need for rummaging underneath the messy pile of tent, mat, Ikea bag of Stuff that sits on top of the rack while cycle touring. If I use the audax bike with the rear rack on Thursday night I'll put the pannier on and be able to offer it to Kim OTP for critical inspection.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

mmmmartin

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2016, 04:51:36 pm »
I bodged something beautiful using clips and a bit of spare tape. Not needed on the front Ortliebs as they are never involved in Stuff hanging sideways on the rear rack, but the rear ones look great. The second pannier took five minutes, the first one about half an hour as I worked out what I wanted and how to get it.
Here's a pic of the clip joining the tape to the inner clip, this will stay permanently clipped in. (I might tape this up later, to make it more permanent.) The clip with the bit of white tape will go over the top of the pannier and clip into the new clip. (The white tape is to help find it when I'm not thinking straight.)

Here's a closer look at the "inside" clip.

And here's the crucial clip on the outside - I had to unscrew the bolt (flat-end screwdriver and spanner needed) and force the screw through the new bit of tape and force the screw back into the bolt on the inside of the pannier.

And in case you're wondering, the cord marks the pannier that goes on the left - a sort of lilac coloured cord, it's red for right.
I just wish I'd got round to doing this before the seven-week camping trip to Norway, where it would have been useful.
Vaude panniers have the clip on the outside, by the way.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

woollypigs

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2016, 05:28:51 pm »
HA! I spit at your colour coordination and reminder marks ! Order 2x5 black panniers, that is way to go while touring, no organisation just faffing around - is this yours, which black one has the porridge, no the other black one you numpty! Much more fun :)

Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2016, 05:55:36 pm »
The Ortlieb rack top bags use those clips.   You'd need to modify the bag if you ever got one.

I don't find this to be a problem anyway as it's no less inconvenient routing around inside the pannier with luggage atop either.   I admire your ingenuity though.     :thumbsup:

mmmmartin

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Re: Solved! Teeny problem when using Ortlieb panniers on racks........
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 11:13:45 am »
Not exactly at the top of the list of life's problems, but here goes:
My rear Ortlieb panniers (the big ones) can become a bit heavy which means the webbing carrying strap can cut into your hand a bit, and when recently riding across Spain this was a nuisance after parking in the bike at a hotel and carrying the panniers to the room. So on my return I cut two four-inch sections off the hosepipe in the yard and threaded them on to the carrying strap. To make them look neater I covered them in black spinnaker tape so they don't look like sections of hosepipe. (The newer Ortlieb rear panniers are now sold with a similar arrangement.)
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.