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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #175 on: July 13, 2016, 04:16:10 pm »
Well done … SAGGERS!!! Can't wait to watch the highlights this evening!
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #176 on: July 13, 2016, 04:18:30 pm »
Some ride that was :)
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #177 on: July 13, 2016, 04:22:01 pm »
It's certainly refreshing to see the yellow jersey going on the attack rather than just defending it.

Sagan deserved that for the amount of effort he's put in over the last couple of days...
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #178 on: July 13, 2016, 04:22:19 pm »
Chris Froome trying to outsprint Peter Sagan?  That's not a sight you see every day.

Samuel D

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2016, 04:43:29 pm »
I think it was more a case of Froome not wanting to hang around for Sagan to give the stage to Bodnar, since every second was counting. As soon as Froome sprinted, Sagan was forced to win the stage.

Bodnar won’t have liked that, but Froome had every right to do it. If there was any doubt, he’s proving himself to be a real racer! Makes for brilliant TV.

The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

Andrew

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #180 on: July 13, 2016, 04:46:33 pm »
Yebbut... htf was it even allowed to happen  ???

Major case of 'not paying attention' + 'unable to get shit together' = 'major fail'

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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #181 on: July 13, 2016, 04:47:05 pm »
By Movistar, you mean?

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #182 on: July 13, 2016, 05:55:49 pm »
I wonder if they'll get a Sherlock Holmes-related gag into the highlights?

One of today's fallers was Sebastien Reichenbach.
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #183 on: July 13, 2016, 07:05:54 pm »


The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

Presumably Quintana and the rest (well, just Quintana, no-one else is likely to challenge), will have been equally hammering it so they should be in the same position ?
I bet Froome is really happy that tomorrow's stage might be shortened; I imagine that he'll just follow Quintana and attack if he gets the chance. Quintana will need to do something spectacular to eat into Froome's lead.
I suspect he'll wait 'til the Alps.


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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #184 on: July 13, 2016, 07:40:25 pm »
Froome had every right to do it. If there was any doubt, he’s proving himself to be a real racer! Makes for brilliant TV.

We all knew he could attack uphill, but this year he has added attacking downhill, attacking on flat stages and attacking spectators to his repertoire.

Who the bloody hell does he think he is... Bernard Hinault?  ;D

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The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

Nah, he's too calculating for that to have been a total rush of blood to the head. Even at 65-70kmh he will have been looking at his power meter.

The really clever bit was sitting on Sagan's wheel so he was in precisely the right place at precisely the right time. Thomas was nearly caught out but did well to respond and latch on. Unlike Quintana, who doesn't seem to have learnt from last year's mistakes.
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #185 on: July 13, 2016, 07:48:17 pm »
Quintana really needs to attach earlier and since we are over half way he needs to do that harder, more often and longer to get one up on Froome.
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #186 on: July 13, 2016, 08:32:17 pm »
Cor! That was a bit exciting!

Unlike Quintana, who doesn't seem to have learnt from last year's mistakes.


Indeed, you'd have thought Movistar would have been well prepared for that.
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #187 on: July 13, 2016, 08:46:37 pm »

The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

It's good training for the TT, and the rest of the team are rested, only Thomas made an effort.

Andrew

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #188 on: July 13, 2016, 08:48:19 pm »
Stage shortened tomorrow, finish at Chalet Reynard apparently.

Really shit forecast for tomorrow; 90kph winds, 5°, -4° with chill factor  :o

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #189 on: July 13, 2016, 09:20:33 pm »

The question is: has that 20-odd minute effort harmed his performance for tomorrow? Because tomorrow will be a big day whether or not they shorten Mont Ventoux.

It's good training for the TT, and the rest of the team are rested, only Thomas made an effort.

... in the last 12km. The remainder - or at least  Kirienka, Stannard and Rowe - had a far from restful day from what I could see.

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #190 on: July 13, 2016, 09:20:46 pm »
Stage shortened tomorrow, finish at Chalet Reynard apparently.

Really shit forecast for tomorrow; 90kph winds, 5°, -4° with chill factor  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36786486

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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #191 on: July 13, 2016, 09:27:43 pm »
Yes, a friend of mine is on the mountain now, and every available parking spot is occupied. There are a lot of people up there, and they're going to get bloody cold tonight.

Edit: he says they've all left.

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #192 on: July 13, 2016, 09:41:26 pm »
Isnt Ventoux the windiest place in Europe? I seem to remember something about 300kph winds recorded at the top.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

Samuel D

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #193 on: July 13, 2016, 09:43:52 pm »
Presumably Quintana and the rest (well, just Quintana, no-one else is likely to challenge), will have been equally hammering it so they should be in the same position ?

Froome worked hard in the small group of four escapees, whereas Quintana hid behind a mass of riders (to the extent that was possible with the partial crosswind). So Froome certainly worked a lot harder than Quintana in those final 12 km.

There’s a great video of the escape forming here. I can’t stop watching it!

A couple of things stand out:
  • Froome responded immediately when he saw Sagan go after Bodnar. There was no hesitation. He really is uncanny!
  • Thomas took far longer to realise what was happening and work up a full commitment to the chase. He did well to get on from that distance
  • Rowe, on the right, drifted straight into the peloton in front of the BMC boys, forcing Porte into the wind and wrecking BMC’s meagre chance of catching Froome. Deliberate? He spoke on the radio immediately before, so he was lucid about what was happening.
For those who missed it, watch here before it’s deleted.

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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #194 on: July 13, 2016, 09:51:03 pm »
P SaganO hai!  I am P Sagan and I am made of teh Win!  Crazy!
C FroomeO hai!  I am C Froome and I, also, am made of teh Win!
C WindO hai!  I am teh weather and I am made of teh Wind ha ha!
N QuintanaPiss!
M CavendishAnyone got a Power Monkey?
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #195 on: July 13, 2016, 09:57:08 pm »
Well that was good fun - people at the top of their game because they're good at racing: fast, paying attention, willing to take a risk, willing to make it up as they go along but also working together. And really refreshing to see the yellow jersey a) going for it and b) going for it not on a hill or TT (beyond the first mountain stage).

Samuel D

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #196 on: July 13, 2016, 09:58:15 pm »
I like that, Mr Larrington!

It’s interesting that Cavendish said he was stuck in his 15T cog, which was apparently too low to be useful. Assuming a 53T chainring, that’s almost identical to my top gear of 46T / 13T. That feels like a big gear to me. This stage averaged over 47 km/h.

Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #197 on: July 13, 2016, 10:00:18 pm »
Cardinal Brailsford: “No one expects the Sky Improvisation! Our chief weapon is surprise, correct crosswind tactics and surprise; two chief weapons, correct crosswind tactics, surprise, and the ability to keep up with Sagan! Er, hang on... we've done this already, haven't we?"

Cardinal Froome: "Bet you weren't expecting that..."
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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #198 on: July 13, 2016, 10:04:01 pm »

Really shit forecast for tomorrow; 90kph winds, 5°, -4° with chill factor  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36786486

I reckon the beeb have applied a Brexit factor to get 120kph wind speeds, French news said 90!

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Re: TdeF 2016 (Contains spoilers)
« Reply #199 on: July 13, 2016, 10:08:14 pm »
I think it was more a case of Froome not wanting to hang around for Sagan to give the stage to Bodnar, since every second was counting. As soon as Froome sprinted, Sagan was forced to win the stage.

Bodnar won’t have liked that, but Froome had every right to do it. If there was any doubt, he’s proving himself to be a real racer! Makes for brilliant TV.

Froome was clearly very aware of the time bonuses, which weren't of any great significance to either Bodnar or Sagan, and was always going to contest it.
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