Author Topic: Going VOIP - losing the landline  (Read 1960 times)

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #25 on: 01 March, 2021, 10:01:57 am »
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I'm still quite fond of having telephony independent of mains electricity.

Mobile phones cover this well enough in most scenarios.  Obviously if that's not an option (eg. you live somewhere with no mobile coverage), some consideration for what happens when the mains fails is prudent.  I assume that whenever our-favourite-telco start replacing copper pairs with fibre, they'll be installing some battery backup at the customer's end.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #26 on: 01 March, 2021, 10:09:26 am »
We have three boxes on the window sill. Two are phone sockets, one labelled BT, the other Telewest Broadband. We've never plugged anything into either of them and it doesn't appear as if the BT socket is actually connected to the outside world. There's also what looks like a TV aerial socket, also labelled Telewest Broadband. We've never plugged anything into that either.
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #27 on: 01 March, 2021, 10:29:56 am »
If people are really interested in battery backups, the requirement is set by Ofcom and is (or was anyway) a regulatory requirement that people could still call 999 when there's a powercut. I've not kept up with their latest thinking, when it was first introduced you had to have an hours battery to run the bit of kit in your house that a corded phone could connect to.

The most recent guidance I could find is here https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/123118/guidance-emergency-access-power-cut.pdf which I think says the one hour thing still stands in most cases.


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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #28 on: 01 March, 2021, 11:16:35 am »
When we had FTTP installed* we were told that the terminating box also had a POTS interface on it (with our landline number attached), if we wanted to use that instead of the (antiquated) cable to another part of the house.

So far I haven't taken them up on that, but might when we have our next office re-shuffle as the fibre enters the building in the corner of the office.

*1928 detached, no FTTC to the street, but FTTP is, go figure
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #29 on: 01 March, 2021, 11:52:54 am »
My BT-supplied FTTP termination box has what appears to be a standard phone socket next to the Ethernet one and I really ought to get round to finding out whether I can transfer my landline to it and dispense with the copper string altogether.  Unlike most of you tragically hip sorts I do actually use mine as I know where it is at all times and don’t keep forgetting to resupply it with fresh voles.
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #30 on: 01 March, 2021, 03:50:00 pm »
I'm officially puzzled now.  My phone is plugged into that phone socket alongside the ethernet port in the modem thingy.  We are fibre only, no copper wire at all.  So, surely this business of going VOIP whether I like it or not, won't actually affect anything?  I'm game for new DECT-ish phones anyway, sometime in the next couple of years, I'm fed up with my shitty Panasonics.

Idiot question 2.  OK, so maybe I have a power cut, so my router dies.  The modem box has battery backup (2018 install) so if I plugged my PC ethernet cable directly into the modem and ignored the dead router, would this work?  I've never been sure what a router does, but if it just spreads the electronovoles around, then surely I can have one connection?  As the mobile signal is shite here, some form of connection to the outside world would be important. 

I eventually found the access to the AA cells in the battery backup box, took some doing...
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #31 on: 01 March, 2021, 04:19:07 pm »
Idiot question 2.  OK, so maybe I have a power cut, so my router dies.  The modem box has battery backup (2018 install) so if I plugged my PC ethernet cable directly into the modem and ignored the dead router, would this work? 

Not without some re-configuring your PC.
Where you have a separate modem and router, the router has your ISP username and password, handles the login and sets up the PPPoE session acting as the PPPoE endpoint.

You'd need to configure a PPPoE client on the PC, and enter your ISP username/password here.

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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #32 on: 01 March, 2021, 08:14:06 pm »
I'm officially puzzled now.  My phone is plugged into that phone socket alongside the ethernet port in the modem thingy.  We are fibre only, no copper wire at all.  So, surely this business of going VOIP whether I like it or not, won't actually affect anything?  I'm game for new DECT-ish phones anyway, sometime in the next couple of years, I'm fed up with my shitty Panasonics.
Seems Openreach used to provide a Fibre Voice Access (FVA) service. Basically means the FTTP modem has a built in analogue telephone adapter. But that has now been discontinued, the latest FTTP modems don't have any phone port. And it may be switched off for existing customers at some point.
https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/product-withdrawal/fibre-voice-access

So it is now up to the ISP as to whether they provide any VOIP service.

Wombat

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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #33 on: 01 March, 2021, 09:39:46 pm »
Ah, thanks, thats very helpful (which is far more than can be said for BT). So at some point, I change to VOIP telephony, I assume it will need an ethernet type port. Wonder if BT will give me a new router with more than the measly 3 ports my current superhub has? Its a pathetic thing, with the weediest wifi on the planet, yet it puts out BT fon, and BT wifi X whatever they are, which I can't turn off, and can't access. I think they're meant to provide a wifi service to passing folk, but the signal wouldn't reach the road, and I don't think John's sheep have smartphones.

I'll do a bit of basic research on VOIP telephony, I gather some DECT phones can also use VOIP.
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #34 on: 02 March, 2021, 07:34:49 am »


I'll do a bit of basic research on VOIP telephony, I gather some DECT phones can also use VOIP.
As mentioned up there I use a Siemens DECT set up with SIP capabilities. I /think/ their sip versions give it away by having - sip in the model number.
I'm on my second iteration of the seimens phone hub if that's a recommendation.
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #35 on: 11 March, 2021, 06:39:56 pm »
And it is done!

Seems to ring the phone quicker than the old way. And I get instant an call log on AAISP's Control Pages.

I've registered the older DECT phones on the new base, and they've got odd ring tones, so I'll have to reset them...
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #36 on: 11 March, 2021, 06:45:15 pm »
Ooooh! Exciting! I can call myself!!!
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #37 on: 11 March, 2021, 06:53:21 pm »
Ooooh! Exciting! I can call myself!!!
Have you got an exciting name to call yourself?  ;)
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Re: Going VOIP - losing the landline
« Reply #38 on: 14 March, 2021, 11:13:46 am »
Just made my first chargeable call.

The cost? 5.9604p  ;D
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