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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2021, 06:54:25 pm »
It would be hard to make such a ride add up to 200km. Especially if you're not allowed to repeat roads.

Looks like you can get it over with in 15.9 km and then go and ride somewhere nice.

(after another 30 km slogging through diesel fug to get out)

Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2021, 07:35:09 pm »
Wonder if anyone has done a DIY based on Monopoly roads ...

It would be hard to make such a ride add up to 200km. Especially if you're not allowed to repeat roads.

You’d be able to include extra roads as long as you get the core ones in.

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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2021, 07:48:51 pm »
"Go to jail" might make it difficult to get round in the time limit. Unless you have a get out of jail free card.
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2021, 07:50:44 pm »
The Thread Police will get you, even if the Monopoly police station doesnt

Re: Repeating Roads
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2021, 10:14:43 pm »
You can have an out and back route.  You can also have events that have a figure of 8, although I believe the Faccombe 100 was frowned upon because it consisted of elaborate twists and turns to keep it in an audaciously hilly part of the Wiltshire-Berkshire-Hampshire border (2250m ascent in 100km of southern softy territory) meant it never went more than about 12km from the start/finish point. 

I had a go, winding down from a long day at work and you could sort of squeeze something like this in (very rough and ready and without any checking to see if the roads/cycle paths are viable) https://ridewithgps.com/routes/35695676.  I've been doing rides with this sort of pattern through lockdown and now UK rules are easing want to do anything but a route like this  :facepalm:
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2021, 10:47:56 pm »
Isle of Wight 200 no repeats:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/35695834

If I can make a 300 then a 600 could be done using the each direction rule.

(Wight is smaller than Texel but has far more people and roads)

(and hills!)

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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2021, 10:59:55 pm »
When I altered a figure of 8 route to avoid repeating a road and added 20k to the distance my friendly local DIY organizer sent an e-mail back saying something along the lines of "the repeating roads stuff is internet bullshit, it's doing laps that's not allowed"


So from that I took:
Repeat roads are ok, provided it's not laps, exactly when a repeat road becomes a lap is down to interpretation of the person who will be validating the DIY or approving the route for an event, therefore if in doubt, ask them.


AUK regs, open to interpretation since 2000*.
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2021, 02:07:06 pm »
It's ancient history but AUK (and ACP too) used to sanction events consisting of multiple repeats of a short ultra-hilly circuit.  There was one in Yorkshire with 5 laps, something similar in Derbyshire, and one in Surrey where the circuit was a bit shorter and so required 7 laps.

I think that basic answer to end all answers is that you can do any section of road in both directions - but you may do either or both directions only once.

The case that's usually cited that breaks that convention is the road to Dolgellau YH, used out-and-back twice each on the Welsh 600.

It's all down to muddled thinking as to "what is audax for?" - apparently it's not all about doing the distance, there is also the element of touring and discovery ('boldness') - but in that case I thinkA to B events (such as Paris-Roubaix) should carry more kudos than mere A to A circuits or even A-B-A out-and-backs such as PBP.  One of the earliest recorded such events was Paris-Harrogate, 800km, in 1978, with over 100 entries.
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2021, 02:13:51 pm »
When I altered a figure of 8 route to avoid repeating a road and added 20k to the distance my friendly local DIY organizer sent an e-mail back saying something along the lines of "the repeating roads stuff is internet bullshit, it's doing laps that's not allowed"

I thought it was in one of the various versions of the regulations and/or rider/organiser handbooks, but a quick squiz doesn't find it.

Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2021, 02:23:52 pm »
Seems to be 7.1.2, linked by Ajax Bay, above.

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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2021, 02:25:31 pm »
The regulation 7.1.2 linked upthread shows that it is an advice, rather than a hard Regulation, and is discretionary - "would not normally be approved".
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2021, 03:09:55 pm »
I suppose the Mersey 24 is an example of an event that breaks the rules. Kind of.
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2021, 03:13:18 pm »
Except that the M24 isn't an AUK event, it's an event for which you can claim AUK points ...

Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2021, 03:15:23 pm »
Wonder if anyone has done a DIY based on Monopoly roads ...

Kristof Allegaert from Belgium has done a Monopoly-ride in 2015. He started at his home town Kortrijk and did 22 towns according the Belgian version of Monopoly. Around 850K in 34 hrs. Not really audax though.

Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2021, 05:11:17 pm »
The regulation 7.1.2 linked upthread shows that it is an advice, rather than a hard Regulation, and is discretionary - "would not normally be approved".
It also clearly states same circuit, not same section of road.  So 50km loops where the first 5km is common would be absolutely fine.  But 50km loops which share 45km, but have a small deviation somewhere would fall under "don't take the piss"

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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2021, 05:14:55 pm »
Except that the M24 isn't an AUK event, it's an event for which you can claim AUK points ...

Well, yes - that's why I said 'kind of'. But it still serves to indicate that, as FF says, it's not a hard and fast rule.
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2021, 05:49:59 pm »
Seems to be 7.1.2, linked by Ajax Bay, above.

That’s about loops. I meant the bit about minimising/avoiding repeats. Sure I’ve read it somewhere semi-official.

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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2021, 06:02:33 pm »
Except that the M24 isn't an AUK event, it's an event for which you can claim AUK points ...

Well, yes - that's why I said 'kind of'. But it still serves to indicate that, as FF says, it's not a hard and fast rule.
The MR24 is hard and fast, though ;)
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2021, 06:13:52 pm »
(Not necessarily fast.)

Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2021, 06:29:40 pm »
That’s about loops. I meant the bit about minimising/avoiding repeats. Sure I’ve read it somewhere semi-official.

The Organiser's Handbook states "Routes may NOT include multiple passes over the same circuit (i.e. repeated loops)."
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2021, 07:01:06 pm »
I think that basic answer to end all answers is that you can do any section of road in both directions - but you may do either or both directions only once.

The case that's usually cited that breaks that convention is the road to Dolgellau YH, used out-and-back twice each on the Welsh 600.
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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2021, 07:09:16 pm »
Except that the M24 isn't an AUK event, it's an event for which you can claim AUK points ...

Is it a motorway? If you rode the M25 that’s be a single loop.

Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2021, 07:26:57 pm »
The Organiser's Handbook states "Routes may NOT include multiple passes over the same circuit (i.e. repeated loops)."

That’s still about repeating the same loop. Not about reusing roads in general.

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Re: Repeating Roads
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2021, 09:02:10 pm »
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