Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => On The Road => Topic started by: Riggers on 22 November, 2021, 10:09:16 am
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I'm thinking of: unnecessary close passes made by dozy/lazy/inattentive/bellend drivers. And I have, on more than one occasion, been pondering buying a 'lollipop' to stick out the side on the seat downtube. However, a friend, as a recent birthday present, gave me a https://passpixi.com '. You can either: magnetically position it over one of the rear cycle shirt pockets or, as I do, have it on the back of my small back pack.
Results: I am very very impressed! On a couple of recent 3.5-hour road rides I was given a heck of a lot more 'passing room', not only by the usual modern-family-saloon-bigger-that-some-vans but, commercial vehicles were incredibly respectful*.
Okay, to be fair, with regard to the hundreds of cars that must surely have passed me, not everyone played the game, but it really was a significant amount to be noticeable.
*with vehicle drivers, this word is used loosely. It's most likely a recognition that they might appear on YouTube or their company's bosses are made aware of, or possibly – though don't hold your breath – a visit from the police!
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Happy Burpday Riggers.
It's funny, but I think any change makes a benefit. As I've posted before, I added more and more hi-viz and lights and stuff and it got worse and worse and worse on my commute. When I made the "awkward" choice to cycle just as a human in normal clothes the change was dramatic and the incidents reduced dramatically. I've been in casual clothes and minimal legal lighting at night pretty much since then.
I don't think any hi-viz or cameras would have prevented my last "off" when I tried turning left on a patch of oil. (and thanks to wearing normal shorts and t-shirt there was no damage to delicate lycra, just normal knees and knuckles ).
I am wondering though, whether just sticking a CCTV logo on the back of the bike wouldn't be too much effort; after all, most houses and shops and roads I cycle along will have a camera nowadays ;)
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Just strap an umbrella (or similar pointy object) horizontally across the rear rack. Or ride a recumbent trike.
If you look like a normal cyclist, the only thing that makes a real difference seems to be riding further from the kerb.
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Isn't this similar to the old
"POLITE"
hi viz vests?
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Thank you Nutters. It was one of those 'so-called' significant birthdays that make you think: "Okay, let's move on folks nothing to see here!"
My normal reaction to a too-close pass nowadays is the wildly-jabbed right arm outstretched (and used to employ two fingers as well but stopped that) but, as I say, as an experiment, the results from the two rides has been positive for me. I may yet employ a 'lollipop' – who knows! I think this Kimmers, unlike an umbrella, might be the first approach to employ on my Roberts road bike! :)
Though, like many others on here, I've thought of employing an everyday object. It isn't a case of drivers afraid to hit you, as we all know – it's the damage their car will suffer scraping past that object the cyclist's carrying.
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Isn't this similar to the old
"POLITE"
hi viz vests?
That was the first thing that came to my mind.
It's interesting to read of Riggers' experience, but I remain skeptical that such a thing would make any difference round my way. As per Kim, I find the only thing that makes any difference is riding further out from the kerb.
When drivers are determined to pass, they will do so - even if it means going all the way across double white lines on a blind bend.
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Seems as much an invitation for aggro as a deterrent.
Also if someone does knock you off they’ll know they need to come back and steal your camera.
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I've been in casual clothes and minimal legal lighting at night pretty much since then.
Having no lights at all seems, from observation, to result in wider and more cautious passes. I think this is because drivers assume that you're going to be careless. But this is in a well lit urban area; I think it would be different in a rural area or even in the suburbs, where speeds are generally higher.
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If you look like a normal cyclist, the only thing that makes a real difference seems to be riding further from the kerb.
That is my experience too.
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Wasn't there a peer reviewed experiment I read about many moons ago as part of the h*lm*t threads where a male university professor conducted several similar rides, and found that close passes were a thing with a h*lm*t, fewer things without a h*lm*t and reduced further when he was wearing a wig with flowing locks (both with and without h*lm*t?
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I've been in casual clothes and minimal legal lighting at night pretty much since then.
Having no lights at all seems, from observation, to result in wider and more cautious passes. I think this is because drivers assume that you're going to be careless. But this is in a well lit urban area; I think it would be different in a rural area or even in the suburbs, where speeds are generally higher.
I'd agree, but cannot condone the behaviour, that riding unlit is safer.
the reason I abandoned hi-viz/excessive lights was an experience where I was nearly knocked off by a driver pulling out of a layby. I spoke politely at the next set of lights and he was very apologetic. As I've posted before his statement was that he'd seen the other cyclist but not me.
The other cyclist was an elderly gent, on his 1950's bike with glimmering dynamo lights, and wearing his dark long coat. I was following him in hi-viz jacket with built in lighting, flashing LEDs on each front fork, legal filament bulb light on the crown, bright lights on the handlebars, and I think also a head torch. the driver saw the "cyclist" in front of me, then pulled out into me!
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Wasn't there a peer reviewed experiment I read about many moons ago as part of the h*lm*t threads where a male university professor conducted several similar rides, and found that close passes were a thing with a h*lm*t, fewer things without a h*lm*t and reduced further when he was wearing a wig with flowing locks (both with and without h*lm*t?
Indeed. Someone from the University of Bath I think. Ian Walker possibly ?
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Wasn't there a peer reviewed experiment I read about many moons ago as part of the h*lm*t threads where a male university professor conducted several similar rides, and found that close passes were a thing with a h*lm*t, fewer things without a h*lm*t and reduced further when he was wearing a wig with flowing locks (both with and without h*lm*t?
Indeed. Someone from the University of Bath I think. Ian Walker possibly ?
Yes. I believe he also holds some sort of distance record. At any rate a serious cyclist as well as researcher.
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Wasn't there a peer reviewed experiment I read about many moons ago as part of the h*lm*t threads where a male university professor conducted several similar rides, and found that close passes were a thing with a h*lm*t, fewer things without a h*lm*t and reduced further when he was wearing a wig with flowing locks (both with and without h*lm*t?
Indeed. Someone from the University of Bath I think. Ian Walker possibly ?
Rings a massive bell in my mind.
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Massive bells, meanwhile, are completely useless for getting a decent amount of space on the road.
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Massive bells, meanwhile, are completely useless for getting a decent amount of space on the road.
...unless it is pedestrianised.
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Massive bells, meanwhile, are completely useless for getting a decent amount of space on the road.
...unless it is pedestrianised.
Ah yes. Bells are only 66% useless around pedestrians.
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Okay, to be fair, with regard to the hundreds of cars that must surely have passed me, not everyone played the game, but it really was a significant amount to be noticeable.
A friend has one of those stuck onto the side of her offside pannier, and said she noticed an appreciable reduction in close passes. Not eliminated entirely but far less stress.
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Yes. I believe he also holds some sort of distance record. At any rate a serious cyclist as well as researcher.
For a mad moment, I thought you meant "... for the widest pass ever of a cyclist".
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Massive bells, meanwhile, are completely useless for getting a decent amount of space on the road.
How massive are we talking?
https://create180.co.uk/projects/christmas-ding-dong-bell-costume
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When drivers are determined to pass, they will do so - even if it means going all the way across double white lines on a blind be their wing-mirror taking skin off your elbow, or you ending
up in a ditch.
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Am I still the forum petrolhead ;)
People get it cars and become absolute terrible people. Drivers forget that being able to use the road is a privilege and most people using it have passed the bare minimum to be on it.
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Okay, to be fair, with regard to the hundreds of cars that must surely have passed me, not everyone played the game, but it really was a significant amount to be noticeable.
A friend has one of those stuck onto the side of her offside pannier, and said she noticed an appreciable reduction in close passes. Not eliminated entirely but far less stress.
I believe the positioning of mine – on the rear of a back pack – plays its part in being more noticeable by them that have to be in HUGE family cars and those lovely chaps in commercial vehicles. I can only report positive results!
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Isn't the cheap option to strap a pool noodle across your rear rack (if you have one?)
And yes, it was Dr Ian Walker who did the tests referred to above.
J
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Isn't the cheap option to strap a pool noodle across your rear rack (if you have one?)
J
I really must dig out my reading glasses - I was initially thinking the poodle would wriggle too much.
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No, wriggling cargo gets you more room.
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On narrow roads and pinch points where close passes are more likely, I glance over my shoulder and listen out for high reving. And put my right arm out to prevent a close pass. I do this on wider roads as well if I hear or see fast approaching vehicles.
I do this also for oncoming vehicles.
On occasions when I do sense a close pass but can't be arsed to look behind, invariably I do get one.
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Isn't the cheap option to strap a pool noodle across your rear rack (if you have one?)
J
I really must dig out my reading glasses - I was initially thinking the poodle would wriggle too much.
I also misread it and so spent a few minutes trying to work out the benefit of a pot noodle in this situation.
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El Prez had a sticky-out mirror on his flat-bar eBike - bars were about a metre across, all told. A gendarme pulled him over on the main drag of a local town and told him that if he didn't take the so-called bike path (glorified footpath frequented by kids from local school, with 4 non-priority intersections whereof two with major roads, and two kerbs to negotiate) he'd do him for obstructing the traffic next time.
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I ride 20 hours a weekcommuting in London and find the care from drivers as good as it ever has been. The problem is a hard core of utter dicks that think they are either in fast and furious or just do not care and jump lights, chop lanes etc etc without a care in the world. I am full roadie fwiw. And the peds in some areas are as mindlessly idiotic as they could be.
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I think Jeremy vine also got some of the hard core dicks the other day. He also said that this family ride on some new facility was overwhelmingly great.
https://mobile.twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1476197563716055041
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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jan/05/filming-cyclingmikey-dangerous-drivers-mike-van-erp-motorists-britain-roads-safer?fbclid=IwAR0FPKGU3ShvDe0zhaFWFy5jNtBxQCgS0_Mt4ivNpyOGVt1EDlqOy64-jyE
Our very own Mikey interviewed by my namesake.
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Okay, to be fair, with regard to the hundreds of cars that must surely have passed me, not everyone played the game, but it really was a significant amount to be noticeable.
A friend has one of those stuck onto the side of her offside pannier, and said she noticed an appreciable reduction in close passes. Not eliminated entirely but far less stress.
I've put a Passipix patch on my offside pannier, to coincide with my newish GoPro habit. Gotta say that it feels like the considerate drivers do give more room. I've had one total twat driver pass at speed in a downpour with very little room - completely unnecessarily - but unfortunately there was too much rain on the lens to make out the plates.
I don't know if it was concidence, but I was passed fast (I reckon 40mph+) in Aylesbury yesterday in a 30mph zone. The driver then saw a cop car with two bored looking policeman leaning against it in the parallel feeder road. Cue flashing emergency brake lights and puffs of smoke out of the car's tyres.
Whether they'd registered the camera symbol I was carrying and put 2 and 2 together and made a close pass / speed trap operation I'll never know ..... ;D