I get that but it says from 14th January onwards, the last PBP had slightly different dates depending on whether you had ridden a 1000k,600k,400k etc the previous season. Hence why I mentioned my longest ride was a 600k.
Cheers
Any idea what the various dates are for pre registration? I thought I had seen it somewhere but can't find it, I completed a 600km last season so just wanting to mark the date in my diary.
Cheers
Roberto
Roberto probably wants to know the earliest preregistration date for each prequalified ride distance, particularly for the 600km prequalified folk.
It will be at two-week intervals for each reduction in prequalifier distance but it doesn’t actually matter.
For safety reasons, the use of extenders is strongly disadvised in peloton(The French is pretty much the same)
Rule 2 Insistence on an SR is not quite right and longer distances can be substituted as per the link and https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124436.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124436.0)Thank you so much for pointing that out. Most useful. I suggest a more authoritative link (rather than a random yacf thread) is https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/rules/ (second line of my OP).
Rule 2 Insistence on an SR is not quite right and longer distances can be substituted as per the link and https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124436.0 (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=124436.0)Thank you so much for pointing that out. Most useful. I suggest a more authoritative link (rather than a random yacf thread) is https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/rules/ (second line of my OP).
SR: https://www.audax.uk/results/achievement-awards/randonneur-awards/
"The Super Randonneur award was established by ACP in 1977 and is the ‘gold standard’ award. It consists of the BR(M) series: 200 km, 300 km, 400 km, 600 km, all completed in the same Randonneur year. A longer distance can be substituted for a shorter."
So anyone who wants to ride, inter alia, must have completed a BRM/LRM SR within the dates individually set by national organisations (ACP correspondents).
Given I was trying to keep it as short as reasonable @cygnet, I suggest the précis of Rule 2 in my OP "Requirement: Over 18 and an SR completed" is 'fit for purpose' and will pass the bike and vest/gilet check.
The rule on aero bars is:QuoteFor safety reasons, the use of extenders is strongly disadvised in peloton(The French is pretty much the same)
So you can fit what you like, just don’t use them when riding in a big group.
I have a doubt about article 10: when it says "Riders must stay on the official route", does it mean that you can't abandon it all, not even to get to a supermarket or a B&B or a hotel (or simply by mistake), or is it just that in such circumstances you have to get back to the point where you left the official route and in the meanwhile the insurance doesn't cover?
FTFY @frillipippi Noone GAF. What benefits do you think 'the insurance' affords that your personal travel or other insurance does not cover far better?I have a doubt about article 10: when it says "Riders must stay on the official route", does it mean that you can't abandon it all, not even to get to a supermarket or a B&B or a hotel (or simply by mistake), or is it just that in such circumstances you have to get back to the point where you left the official route and in the meanwhile the insurance doesn't cover?
In theory you *should* rejoin the route at the point you left.
The way article 10 is written, especially in the French version, links "Riders must stay on the official route" to insurance consequences of a breach.FTFY @frillipippi Noone GAF. What benefits do you think 'the insurance' affords that your personal travel or other insurance does not cover far better?I have a doubt about article 10: when it says "Riders must stay on the official route", does it mean that you can't abandon it all, not even to get to a supermarket or a B&B or a hotel (or simply by mistake), or is it just that in such circumstances you have to get back to the point where you left the official route and in the meanwhile the insurance doesn't cover?
In theory you *should* rejoin the route at the point you left.
The ACP/PBP organised insurance is for 'material damage or personal injury caused to a third party by a participant.'The way article 10 is written, especially in the French version, links "Riders must stay on the official route" to insurance consequences of a breach.FTFY @frillipippi Noone GAF. What benefits do you think 'the insurance' affords that your personal travel or other insurance does not cover far better?I have a doubt about article 10: when it says "Riders must stay on the official route", does it mean that you can't abandon it all, not even to get to a supermarket or a B&B or a hotel (or simply by mistake), or is it just that in such circumstances you have to get back to the point where you left the official route and in the meanwhile the insurance doesn't cover?
In theory you *should* rejoin the route at the point you left.
In-ear headphones are banned under French law. ……………. Same for motorists.
... one rule that I had not noticed before, probably because I don't do it anyway so I took no notice of it was that amongst the "penalties" is use of a mobile phone whilst riding. Doing so incurs an hour time penalty.
I know from 2015 and 2019 a lot of riders do it taking selfies etc whilst riding or taking pictures of the group they are riding with
Bike check on Saturday?
There only appears to be a collection of numbers and registration. It looks like the bike check has been changed to just before your off.
Is this correct?
BB
Bike check on Saturday?
There only appears to be a collection of numbers and registration. It looks like the bike check has been changed to just before your off.
Is this correct?
BB
there was a lot of talk some months back about no bike check this time, but threat of impromptu inspections along the course. Always seemed like a waste of time. What are they looking for? people who can't reassemble their bikes safely after transport?
For reference - I believe that it was €145 in 2019.
Bike check on Saturday?
There only appears to be a collection of numbers and registration. It looks like the bike check has been changed to just before your off.
Is this correct?
BB
there was a lot of talk some months back about no bike check this time, but threat of impromptu inspections along the course. Always seemed like a waste of time. What are they looking for? people who can't reassemble their bikes safely after transport?
Having done bike check at a smaller 1200, I can confirm that there are always a few participants with improperly prepared bikes. Mostly issues with lighting and items not being fastened well enough to the bike. This is, of course, best checked just before the start, as every bike is loaded up.
Bike check on Saturday?If that first phrase is a question, the answer is 'no'.
There only appears to be a collection of numbers and registration. It looks like the bike check has been changed to just before your off.
Is this correct?
Having done bike check at a smaller 1200, I can confirm that there are always a few participants with improperly prepared bikes. Mostly issues with lighting and items not being fastened well enough to the bike. This is, of course, best checked just before the start, as every bike is loaded up.
I guess this reinforces the merit of an 'immediately pre-start' bike check (much reduced logistic and check-in burden for both ACP and every rider).
Having done bike check at a smaller 1200, I can confirm that there are always a few participants with improperly prepared bikes. Mostly issues with lighting and items not being fastened well enough to the bike. This is, of course, best checked just before the start, as every bike is loaded up.
I've done the bike check for a couple of ultras, and you'd be amazed what some people turn up with. I failed one bike cos it had loose QR skewers. "But I like to ride loose" "tighten them, or you're not riding". Not to mention the number of people who didn't bring everything (helmet, lights, hivis) to the bike check, despite the instructions in the manual. Special shout-out to the guy who forgot to bring his bike... And the one who only brought one wheel...
I failed one bike cos it had loose QR skewers. "But I like to ride loose" "tighten them, or you're not riding".
Tracking/brevet: Electronic tracking as previous. Must get stamp in brevet at all controls (obv). Recommended to take a passport photo for brevet.
Is this a new requirement?Think I took one and stuck it in last time.Quote"Tracking/brevet: Electronic tracking as previous. Must get stamp in brevet at all controls (obv). Recommended to take a passport photo for brevet."
Re bike check - am reading that orange wheel/side reflectors and a bell/horn are mandatory under French law - is that correct? If so, I'd probably take my chances with Les Gendarmes/Police Nationale, but do they form part of the bike check?
Re bike check - am reading that orange wheel/side reflectors and a bell/horn are mandatory under French law - is that correct? If so, I'd probably take my chances with Les Gendarmes/Police Nationale, but do they form part of the bike check?I suggest this mandate is approached in the traditional Gallic manner.
They cost fuck all, they add very minimal weight. I'd just fit them.We're riding to Brest and back, not round urban Paris. A rear reflector makes sense but normal road pedals don't have the reflectors incorporated: how do you propose you'd fit them J? And what are these laterally visible orange reflectors: reflectors fixed to spokes? Most of this is anti-aesthetically displeasing as well as a drag.
Given that every single PBPer will have front and rear lights on their bike and a reflective vest for night time use, requiring reflectors and a bell seems a little excessive.
Just be glad it's not like many ultra races that also require a shit ton of reflective stickers across the bike too...
Just be glad it's not like many ultra races that also require a shit ton of reflective stickers across the bike too...
J
Just one of the reasons I don't do shit ultra races. I also enjoy riding with a cap, rather than a helmet, at PBP.
Given the reflector thing isn't enforced in France, I won't bother.
I sweat a lot and I complain, the same as I do at events that require helmets, but I prefer riding in a cycling cap. Mandatory helmets in Oz is one of the reasons I have ridden more 1000s/ 1200s in France than in Oz.
I sweat a lot and I complain, the same as I do at events that require helmets, but I prefer riding in a cycling cap. Mandatory helmets in Oz is one of the reasons I have ridden more 1000s/ 1200s in France than in Oz.
Why are you OK to follow the law of the land in Oz, but not to do so in France? Esp when doing so in France is so utterly benign.
J
Because in OZ No Helmet = about AUD500 fine , yes five hundred, (GBP 275, Euro 325), No Bell = AUD 150, No rear reflector = 300 ish (all vary between states), then you get into the serious stuff like no lights......did I mention Oz has a very low cycling participation rate, wonder why?
They are a legal requirement in Netherlands, France, and Germany, plus no doubt others. As I say they cost very little, and they weigh fuck all. I'm not entirely sure what the aversion is.And one which is given a widespread Gallic ignoring, both by tens of thousands of riders from 'racing' to leisure and ignored by le police municipal and les gendarmerie. Fuss not. Many rear lights have a reflection element and otherwise a stand alone reflector or one on the mudguard sorts that element. A front reflector gets in the way of other necessary front end stuff, is just useless given effective lights and the French enforcers know it.
Of all the stupid rules France has for bikes, this is the least objectionable of all of them.
J
What other "stupid rules France has for bikes" that you think are more objectionable?
I won't be wearing the high-viz this time because it's ridiculous to do so in a velomobile, but obviously will have it at hand and use it when walking around at night. For most people, who more or less fit into the gilets, the high-viz will be bonus if the night temperature will be like last time 🥶
The no-headphone is a nuisance for me >:( I'll be wearing earplugs then to tone down the wind noise.
The velomobile will violate all but one requirements (it has a rear reflector); I may add bits of retro-reflecting foil on the front/sides though, that will be easy to do.
Wait. when did you turn to the dark side ?April 11 ;D
What other "stupid rules France has for bikes" that you think are more objectionable?
The mandatory high Vis, and the rule about not wearing headphones. The headphones one is the one I hate the most.
J
April 11 ;D
3481km in the Snoek so far. There will be more kilometers in getting to/from Rambouillet than in riding PBP itself ;)
Have they published Brest cut off times yet? Or anyone care to share what they were last time around.
Specifically interested in the 84H rider's 600km allowance but having them all here in one place would be ace :)
Riding in a country where it feels like half the cyclists think lights are something they don't need, I have become a big fan of reflectors for avoiding crashing into them.
J
Have they published Brest cut off times yet? Or anyone care to share what they were last time around.
Specifically interested in the 84H rider's 600km allowance but having them all here in one place would be ace :)
I can't remember what the control closing times were for PBP19 but https://rusa.org/pbp95checkpoints.html#84HR were the control closing times from last century, with about the same overall distance as PBP23. Brest closed 38-ish hours after starting from St Quentin en Yvelines back then. I rode the 84hr starts at PBP07 and PBP11 and sub-40 hours sounds about right from vague memory but watch the closing time at Carhaix outbound too. That seemed particularly tight. HK and I seemed to bounce along too close for my comfort to the 84hr closing times until Mortagne au Perche on the return but we made time hand over fist after that.
That is good enough for planning purposes at this stage.
In addition to all mandatory (although not enforced) items and Schwalbe tyres, I've just had my bike painted in silver reflective paint because I'm convinced that the more visible you and your bike are, the better.
I'll claim more: being conspicuous is the new fashion, day and night.
So, if you're leaving Rambouillet in the first group, be sure to have your sunglasses with you, or ride in front of me!
Sorry if this has been covered before, but do any of the anciens know whether it's possible to pick up your start documents etc later on the Sunday than the midday or so cutoff shown on the website? I've got an early Monday start and had hoped to ride down from Dieppe on the Sunday (ferry arrives 0400) - with the best will and most favourable wind, I'm not going to get to rambouillet before about 3 or 4pm. Alternatively, is it possible to ask another Monday morning starter to pick the bits up on my behalf? I realise I should probably address this to the horse's mouth, but thought I'd ask here first before embarrassing myself with my GCSE French.where did you find this?
FRIDAY, AUGUST 18 /now 8pm to 1am seemed a bit unlikely to me, so i checked the French version
SATURDAY, AUGUST 19 /
SUNDAY, AUGUST 20, 2023
Withdrawal of your documents
Friday from 2 pm to 7 pm or
Saturday from 8 am to 7 pm (if and only if you start on Sunday),
Sunday from 8 pm to 1 am (if and only if you start on Monday)
[VENDREDI 18 / SAMEDI 19 /24 hour clock is less ambiguous, so you have until 13:00, that's 9 hours from your 4m arrival time to cover 180km. pretty tough if riding all loaded up for the event. I would be surprised if they allowed anyone to collect outside this window, or they will just end up with everyone turning up later. More chance of getting someone to collect for you
DIMANCHE 20 AOÛT 2023
retrait de votre dossier
le vendredi de 14h00 à 19h00
ou le samedi de 8h00 à 19h00 uniquement pour les partants du dimanche,
le dimanche de 8h00 à 13h00 uniquement pour les partants du lundi.
Sorry if this has been covered before, but do any of the anciens know whether it's possible to pick up your start documents etc later on the Sunday than the midday or so cutoff shown on the website? I've got an early Monday start and had hoped to ride down from Dieppe on the Sunday (ferry arrives 0400) - with the best will and most favourable wind, I'm not going to get to rambouillet before about 3 or 4pm. Alternatively, is it possible to ask another Monday morning starter to pick the bits up on my behalf? I realise I should probably address this to the horse's mouth, but thought I'd ask here first before embarrassing myself with my GCSE French.where did you find this?
From the diary page of the presentation https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/download/PBP-BROCHURE-PRESENTATION-EN.pdf I getQuoteFRIDAY, AUGUST 18 /now 8pm to 1am seemed a bit unlikely to me, so i checked the French version
SATURDAY, AUGUST 19 /
SUNDAY, AUGUST 20, 2023
Withdrawal of your documents
Friday from 2 pm to 7 pm or
Saturday from 8 am to 7 pm (if and only if you start on Sunday),
Sunday from 8 pm to 1 am (if and only if you start on Monday)Quote[VENDREDI 18 / SAMEDI 19 /24 hour clock is less ambiguous, so you have until 13:00, that's 9 hours from your 4m arrival time to cover 180km. pretty tough if riding all loaded up for the event. I would be surprised if they allowed anyone to collect outside this window, or they will just end up with everyone turning up later. More chance of getting someone to collect for you.
DIMANCHE 20 AOÛT 2023
retrait de votre dossier
le vendredi de 14h00 à 19h00
ou le samedi de 8h00 à 19h00 uniquement pour les partants du dimanche,
le dimanche de 8h00 à 13h00 uniquement pour les partants du lundi.
Have they published Brest cut off times yet? Or anyone care to share what they were last time around.
Specifically interested in the 84H rider's 600km allowance but having them all here in one place would be ace :)
Here's what LWaB said 4 years ago:Have they published Brest cut off times yet? Or anyone care to share what they were last time around.
Specifically interested in the 84H rider's 600km allowance but having them all here in one place would be ace :)
I can't remember what the control closing times were for PBP19 . . . .
If you are a slow starter, the 84hr intermediate time limits are remarkably tight until just a few controls from the finish, at which point bags of time are gained each stage. The 'race out, tour back' advice kicks in much harder on the 84hr start than the 90hr IMHO.
EDIT: The minimum average speed required for the first 600km of a 84hr PBP is 16km/h (or thereabouts) and 12.7km/h for 600-1000km then 13.3km/h till the end, as per https://rusa.org/octime_rm.html
The minimum average for the 90hr starters is 15km/h for 600km, 11.5km/h-ish for 600-1000km, then 13.3km/h.
Remember that many slower folk want to sleep once in the first 600km of PBP but twice in the next 400km.
For me
1999, 2003 - 90hr solo, great fun, no time pressures at all, sub-70 and low-80 hour finishes.
2007, 2011 - 84hr solo, tighter on time than I'd hoped till well past Brest, sub-80 hour finishes.
2015 - 90hr tandem, great fun, no time pressures at all. Blast through the first night on adrenalin (and lots of sleep beforehand) and plenty of sleep every night after that, sub-90 hour finish.
2019 - same as 2015.
I think at every time limit you get more time than you can possibly need to get from Mortagne au Perche to Rambouillet UNLESS you have a sleep at Dreux. I'm amazed anyone can finish at 89 hours+ without being out of time at earlier controls or deliberately stalling in the last couple of sections to join the Adrian Hands society.
I think at every time limit you get more time than you can possibly need to get from Mortagne au Perche to Rambouillet UNLESS you have a sleep at Dreux. I'm amazed anyone can finish at 89 hours+ without being out of time at earlier controls or deliberately stalling in the last couple of sections to join the Adrian Hands society. Meanwhile, it becomes very difficult to stay inside time first thing in the morning. I finished in 79 hours 20, but if I had been on the 80 hours schedule I would have been late at the first two controls on Tuesday and Wednesday morning.
I can't find the document we got in 2019 with all the time limits, was it emailed, or did we have to download something from the net? But this was my recollection.? Does no one have that still?
I think at every time limit you get more time than you can possibly need to get from Mortagne au Perche to Rambouillet UNLESS you have a sleep at Dreux. I'm amazed anyone can finish at 89 hours+ without being out of time at earlier controls or deliberately stalling in the last couple of sections to join the Adrian Hands society. Meanwhile, it becomes very difficult to stay inside time first thing in the morning. I finished in 79 hours 20, but if I had been on the 80 hours schedule I would have been late at the first two controls on Tuesday and Wednesday morning.
I can't find the document we got in 2019 with all the time limits, was it emailed, or did we have to download something from the net? But this was my recollection.? Does no one have that still?
Helpfully linked by LWaB here https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=112382.0
Unhelpfully the link is now dead
Helpfully wayback machine has that page here https://web.archive.org/web/20210225101110/http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=inscription&page=dossier_participant
Unhelpfully they didn't index the zipped pdf file.
I think a friend still has a copy of it somewhere, will check.
yes I guess if you have time for 10 hours sleep on the ride and you split it into 5 equally spaced rests of 2 hours it works, but that seems like a really uncomfortable way to ride to me.I think at every time limit you get more time than you can possibly need to get from Mortagne au Perche to Rambouillet UNLESS you have a sleep at Dreux. I'm amazed anyone can finish at 89 hours+ without being out of time at earlier controls or deliberately stalling in the last couple of sections to join the Adrian Hands society.
Well, I did get close to this in 2015. The secret is a steady ride with little sleep (for me mostly 3-4 hours in total during PBP), and when I sleep, it's outside of the controls. A 90 hour rider starting relatively early will BTW be best suited sleeping between Mortagne and Dreux, especially for late sleepers.
yes I guess if you have time for 10 hours sleep on the ride and you split it into 5 equally spaced rests of 2 hours it works, but that seems like a really uncomfortable way to ride to me.I think at every time limit you get more time than you can possibly need to get from Mortagne au Perche to Rambouillet UNLESS you have a sleep at Dreux. I'm amazed anyone can finish at 89 hours+ without being out of time at earlier controls or deliberately stalling in the last couple of sections to join the Adrian Hands society.
Well, I did get close to this in 2015. The secret is a steady ride with little sleep (for me mostly 3-4 hours in total during PBP), and when I sleep, it's outside of the controls. A 90 hour rider starting relatively early will BTW be best suited sleeping between Mortagne and Dreux, especially for late sleepers.
Honestly I don't think I could function on so little sleep, so I would be looking very hard at reducing every other stop to the bare minimum, to try to get more sleep. (you may already be efficient)
On a recent hilly 600, I only had time for one hours sleep and it was getting hard to stay awake at times. to do that for a second night, would leave me falling off the bike I think.
On LEL I had 2 hours at Hessle, 4 hours at Brampton, 5 hours at Dunfermline, 4 hours at Barnard Castle, only 2.5 hours at Boston due to the heat forecast and I was forced to nap twice between Boston and the finish
Feels a bit bloody late in the day to make this change.
Can you even wear a helmet if riding a 'bent? Genuine question; I've no ideaPlenty do......and plenty don't! - you've only got to look at the velo-special start to see that.
I will source one for you to get thru registration, if you want!Feels a bit bloody late in the day to make this change.
...especially when you haven't even got one!!!...
oh well....looks like I'm going to be out of time now regardless, with all the penalties coming my way :-)
A Royal PITA.....rebel!!!! It's what the French normally do, isn't it?
Can you even wear a helmet if riding a 'bent? Genuine question; I've no ideaPlenty do......and plenty don't! - you've only got to look at the velo-special start to see that.
Depends on the bike as much as the rider with bents.
what's a right pita for me, is I've just spent ages building a [very shoddy] carbon tailbox for the trike, and got my head resting nicely on the front of it, as a head rest.......just where it needs to be!!!!! Nice. There's no way I'm shoving a helmet between and me and my DIY soot box.
I have a feeling that, if needs must, I will bring a helmet, and show it to the relevant politburo,.....then several miles down the road, all of a sudden, I get robbed and somebody nics it....because they also didn't have time to buy one before the event. Honest. Or something like that :-)
Exactly my thought.Can you even wear a helmet if riding a 'bent? Genuine question; I've no ideaPlenty do......and plenty don't! - you've only got to look at the velo-special start to see that.
Depends on the bike as much as the rider with bents.
what's a right pita for me, is I've just spent ages building a [very shoddy] carbon tailbox for the trike, and got my head resting nicely on the front of it, as a head rest.......just where it needs to be!!!!! Nice. There's no way I'm shoving a helmet between and me and my DIY soot box.
I have a feeling that, if needs must, I will bring a helmet, and show it to the relevant politburo,.....then several miles down the road, all of a sudden, I get robbed and somebody nics it....because they also didn't have time to buy one before the event. Honest. Or something like that :-)
Cut the back off a cheap helmet. Make sure the EU approval label is in the front half :p
J
A Royal PITA.....rebel!!!! It's what the French normally do, isn't it?
Cut the back off a cheap helmet. Make sure the EU approval label is in the front half :pBefore reading this I actually did that to an old helmet last night, much more comfortable. It's not that obvious , do you think I can get away with it?
I hope somebody French makes a decent attempt to reverse this rule.
I will source one for you to get thru registration, if you want!
I shall enjoy my ride, whatever, with or without brevet stamps medals etc. Allons y!
Cut the back off a cheap helmet. Make sure the EU approval label is in the front half :p
Can you even wear a helmet if riding a 'bent? Genuine question; I've no ideaIn my velomobile there's not enough space between my head and the headrest. It would drive my chin through my chest and on a distance like this result in a neck injury for sure.
Now ordered three helmets in the hope one is comfortable enough. Not surprised that price and weight have no correlation.
The reason riders get Sherman’s neck is because they don’t sleep enough, not to do with the weight of the helmet on their head.
The reason riders get Sherman’s neck is because they don’t sleep enough, not to do with the weight of the helmet on their head.do you actually mean that or do you mean it's more likely to happen on a longer ride (duh!)
Us casquetteurs are in a the minority aren't we. Rebelling just makes us look petty to all those who've never understood why we don't wear these magic hats.
Whatever your personal opinion IME YACF members support freedom of choice
The reason riders get Sherman’s neck is because they don’t sleep enough, not to do with the weight of the helmet on their head.
This is a pain.The only time I had Shermer’s Neck was from day three onwards on the 2014 Mille Cymru, and I’d been wearing helmets for over 20 years. I put it down to having my head down honking up the climbs, then being in the tuck position on the descents. After reading advice about it, I now have three helmets (the heaviest when I’m upright on my town bike, and the other two are 100g or more lighter for the road bikes), I take my helmet off on long rides whenever I can, and I massage the back of my neck when I ride. I’ve read about strength exercises, but I don’t do exercise, I just ride my bike 🤣. Not had neck issues since, but I was approached several times while volunteering at Louth last year as riders on LEL were suffering. Never wore inner tubes like Phil did 🤣
On a practical level, I am concerned about the risk of getting Shermer's neck from doing a long ride with a helmet when I've not worn one all year. Neck muscles need to be trained to carry the additional weight.
How should we rebel? The French do it so well ... perhaps a blockade of something or someone? Maybe set fire to some stuff?
Oh bother.lighter should cost more, since all should meet the safety standards (such as they are)
Now looking for the lightest thing I can find.
Didn't need this additional cost
Oh bother.lighter should cost more, since all should meet the safety standards (such as they are)
Now looking for the lightest thing I can find.
Didn't need this additional cost
The reason riders get Sherman’s neck is because they don’t sleep enough, not to do with the weight of the helmet on their head.
Now ordered three helmets in the hope one is comfortable enough. Not surprised that price and weight have no correlation.Us casquetteurs are in a the minority aren't we. Rebelling just makes us look petty to all those who've never understood why we don't wear these magic hats.
Can you even wear a helmet if riding a 'bent? Genuine question; I've no idea
This is a pain.I only have physics and anecdata to back this up, but I'm happy to believe that helmets+headtorches are the worst combination.
On a practical level, I am concerned about the risk of getting Shermer's neck from doing a long ride with a helmet when I've not worn one all year. Neck muscles need to be trained to carry the additional weight.
I only have physics and anecdata to back this up, but I'm happy to believe that helmets+headtorches are the worst combination.
...Caps are so much nicer.
This is a pain.I only have physics and anecdata to back this up, but I'm happy to believe that helmets+headtorches are the worst combination.
On a practical level, I am concerned about the risk of getting Shermer's neck from doing a long ride with a helmet when I've not worn one all year. Neck muscles need to be trained to carry the additional weight.
There's another item which greatly enhances the risk of Shermer's Neck, the kangaroo pouch. If loaded with all kinds of heavy stuff, like passport and coins, and then the cord pushing on one of the nerves in your neck, your muscles can give in.
I've seen this happening with other people, when the kangaroo pouch is removed, they miraculously recover in a few hours. (No 100% guarantee though)
Lots of riders leave stuff - including helmets - at controls.
Did it myself in 2015 at Loudeac on the way back - and I was miles down the road before I realised. In mitigation it was night and I had a buff covering my head otherwise I might have twigged instantly on departure.
Guy at Tinteniac just laughed at me when asking if they had any casquettes (sold out monsieur) and it took a visit to a Decathlon in Fougeres some 150km later to restore a lid.
It subsequently turned out that Id not got my brevet card stamped at Loudeac either so I must have been a bit gubbed. When contacted by ACP afterwards I resisted the temptation to suggest they could use my left behind helmet (with my rider number on it) as valid proof of passage and instead accepted my 2 hr time penalty which took me up to 89h 54m though I believe the official record has me as 90hrs dead.
Wonder if/how this will be policed this time. Crazy to leave such a decision so late. I can see it being reversed very late in the day or not actually policed - neither of which will be any use to folk who dont normally wear a helmet.
Ian you normally confuse your self and baffle the rest of us ;D
I don't have a pen and am not too worried about it.