The best of ai LLM

[mrcharly-YHT]

I'm starting to warm to ai.

When it comes to surviving a zombie apocalypse, choosing the right mode of transportation can be crucial. Let’s weigh the pros and cons of different options:

Car:
Pros: Cars are big, provide protection, and can get you where you need to go quickly. Plus, you won’t have to pay for gas.
Cons: You’ll need to siphon gas yourself, and road blockages can be a problem. Also, cars are loud, making stealth difficult1.
Motorcycle:
Pros: Fast and maneuverable. Can slip through tight spaces.
Cons: Extremely loud, offers no protection. Zombies will hear you coming1.
Plane:
Pros: If you find a working plane and know how to fly it, you’re golden.
Cons: Finding a functional plane with fuel and a runway is unlikely1.
Boat:
Pros: Sailboats are silent, and speedboats are quick. Houseboats or yachts are ideal.
Cons: Eventually, you’ll need to dock it. Not feasible for landlocked areas. Also, sharks (or zombie sharks?)1.
Train:
Pros: None. Seriously, trains won’t exist during the zombie apocalypse.
Cons: They’re just not practical1.
Bicycle:
Pros: Virtually silent, covers more ground than walking, no reliance on gas. Easy to carry and conceal.
Cons: You have to pedal yourself, less protection, and snowy/rainy weather can be challenging. But hey, it’s better than nothing 2.
Considering all these factors, a bicycle might be your best bet. It’s quiet, versatile, and doesn’t rely on fuel. Just remember to keep those legs pumping when the undead are chasing you!

[cygnet]

Now I'm worried that it considers the zombocalypse will occur while there is a preponderance of cars running on dinojuice (ie during most of our lifespans)

[ElyDave]

Now I'm worried that it considers the zombocalypse will occur while there is a preponderance of cars running on dinojuice (ie during most of our lifespans)

Because you'll find plenty of queueueue-free EV charge points in the zombapocalypse?

[mrcharly-YHT]

Now I'm worried that it considers the zombocalypse will occur while there is a preponderance of cars running on dinojuice (ie during most of our lifespans)

Because you'll find plenty of queueueue-free EV charge points in the zombapocalypse?

That is why you need a brompton in the boot of your EV, so you can leave car charging, while leading zombies away on your trusty deadly pedally.

[ravenbait]

Recently read that every AI query is the equivalent in resource use of tipping a 500ml bottle of water on the ground. The companies making money off these things are working really hard to stop us understanding how damaging they are.

Sam

[liam_whippet]

I'd not really thought of a bicycle as "easy to carry and conceal" before ...

[ElyDave]

the vision of squadrons of bicycle-mounted zombie slayers peddling majestically across Hyde Park comes to mind

[cygnet]

Recently read that every AI query is the equivalent in resource use of tipping a 500ml bottle of water on the ground. The companies making money off these things are working really hard to stop us understanding how damaging they are.

Sam

Given the reported size of global data centres even before this "AI' kick got going, I find that a)very believable and as a corollary b) not as surprising as it miggt have been.(Both on the cost, and the working hard to not report the cost bits)

Although perhaps I have combined the data center thing with e-currencies.

When the zombocalypse comes, there will be no power to grid for pretty much the same reason as there will be no trains.

So you won't be able to open your car boot to get the Brompton out, because the battery will be dead.

I reckon velomobiles FTW

[ElyDave]

I do some work with the data centre community, and quite a lot of them, though not all, use renewable power these days.

I should still be good for the EV, as long as I don't go too far from home, PV on the roof

[ravenbait]

They can switch to renewable power, but they hoover up water to use for cooling. Resource use isn't just about energy.

Sam

[mrcharly-YHT]

They can switch to renewable power, but they hoover up water to use for cooling. Resource use isn't just about energy.

Sam

It isn't black and white though.

Quite a lot recycle the water.

Some redistribute it to municiple heating.
Some redistribute it to greenhouses.

[ravenbait]

That's as may be, but until there is absolute transparency around resource use and how much it actually costs us to use, querying ChatGPT is, as far as I am concerned, the equivalent of driving a diesel SUV 200 yards to the shop.

Sam

[quixoticgeek]

It isn't black and white though.

Quite a lot recycle the water.

Some redistribute it to municiple heating.
Some redistribute it to greenhouses.

Nope. What most do is they pour it over a surface with pipes running through it. That water evaporates to cool the stuff in the pipes. It goes to atmosphere. And cos it's effectively a warm moist environment you can't just pump water out the canal, else it would be a major health hazard to the techs who have to maintain it. So it comes out the tap, as treated drinking water.

At least that's the case in all the DCs k have equipment in, in multiple countries.

AI isn't actually intelligent. It's sparkling autocarrot and a massive waste of resources.

Boycott LLMs.

J

[ElyDave]

You mean an evaporative cooling tower?

[Kim]

I'd not really thought of a bicycle as "easy to carry and conceal" before ...

Isn't that the key feature of the Brompton, although usually with regard to posh hotels and jobsworth railways staff, rather than hordes of the undead.

[quixoticgeek]

You mean an evaporative cooling tower?

Yes. Tho I rarely see them as a tower. More along the outside wall of some windowless bit barn...

J

[mrcharly-YHT]

There is a lot of nonsense talked about this sort of subject:

Data centres use vast amounts of water for cooling. It can be used to absorb heat through methods like evaporation or immersion. The water needed can be significant depending on the system and heat generated.

It is estimated that up to 5 million gallons (approximately 20 million litres) of water is used daily in data centre cooling. By using water in such quantities, data centres are contributing to water shortages and depletion of resources, particularly in countries where water scarcity and drought are prevalent.

Very very few data centres are built in areas of water scarcity and drought. So conflating use of cooling water in, for example, The Netherlands, with water scarcity in African countries, is utter nonsense. Extremely poor logic, and has no relationship with science.

The connection (and there is one) is that data centres use a lot of energy. Energy that, if not produced from renewables, is contributing to climate change.

Hence interest in building data centres in places like Iceland, with its surplus of geothermal energy, or Scotland, with its surplus of wind energy.

[ravenbait]

You should try talking to communities suffering from drought caused by data centres hoovering up all the water in the American mid west.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/04/25/data-centers-drought-water-use/

Some areas of Scotland already have water scarcity warnings in place, despite the wet winter. Climate change is only going to make that worse. So you futtering about with a statistical engine that spits garbage on demand is, at best, a waste of resource for your entertainment, and at worst contributing to the pervading idea that AI is somehow worth the impact is it is having.

I never said anything about data centres in the Netherlands contributing to water scarcity in Africa. You made that unnecessary leap all on your own.

Sam

[mrcharly-YHT]

I was responding to the very general statement made on a 'green' website.
It was quixoticgeek who talked about the data centres they'd visited.

[Regulator]

Cambridge has a number of large datacentres (I think it's five with another planned).  Not sure what their water consumption is* but we are an area of severe water shortage.

*I really suppose I should find out in case it comes up at Planning Committee.