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Title: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 18 July, 2010, 06:04:51 pm
King of compacts? OK, well it's decent anyway ;)  

Apparently 'leaked' on Panasonic website (no direct access to page, "3" substituted for by "5"...)
Panasonic DMC-LX5K Support and Service Information (http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/support/Cameras-Camcorders/Digital-Cameras/Lumix-Digital-Cameras/model.DMC-LX5K)*

*edit. now removed by Pana.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 18 July, 2010, 07:51:18 pm
24-90 mm is much less restrictive than the 24-60 of the LX3 (which I have).
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 18 July, 2010, 09:25:13 pm
Yes, the 60mm limit put me off the LX3.  I like a bit of telephoto, and have an LX2.

So was there ever an LX4?
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: mike on 18 July, 2010, 09:27:22 pm
no, probably means something rude in Korean.  Same reason the toyota MR2 never really worked in France.

LX5 looks great.  Panasonic are producing some fantastic cameras at the moment, I love my GF1.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 18 July, 2010, 11:25:07 pm
Supposed to have a new sensor in it...

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1/1.63" High Sensitivity 10 megapixel CCD with evolved sensor technology
Realized industry top level image quality in compact digital camera

It'll be interesting to see what diffs it makes to the ISO 400-1000 range.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Rhys W on 21 July, 2010, 10:46:18 am
no, probably means something rude in Korean.  Same reason the toyota MR2 never really worked in France.

Took me a couple of seconds, but  ;D
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: russellm on 21 July, 2010, 12:00:26 pm
no, probably means something rude in Korean.  Same reason the toyota MR2 never really worked in France.

4 is an unlucky number in Korea (and some other East Asian countries). For instance, a lot of Korean buildings don't have a fourth floor (or, at least, a floor numbered 4, for the pedants in the forum).
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 22 July, 2010, 01:52:52 pm
no, probably means something rude in Korean.  Same reason the toyota MR2 never really worked in France.

4 is an unlucky number in Korea (and some other East Asian countries). For instance, a lot of Korean buildings don't have a fourth floor (or, at least, a floor numbered 4, for the pedants in the forum).

Although the Nikon F4 was pretty popular in it's day.   :)


LX5:  it's official...   Panasonic officially announces DMC-LX5 premium compact: Digital Photography Review (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10072110panasonicdmclx5.asp)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 22 July, 2010, 01:58:41 pm
I'm looking forward to it, but will have to be a late adopter to afford it.

"Suggested retail price of $499.95."  So that'll be five hundred quid (since dollars tend to get converted to pounds for this kind of goods in the UK). 
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 22 July, 2010, 02:13:11 pm
I'm looking forward to it, but will have to be a late adopter to afford it.

"Suggested retail price of $499.95."  So that'll be five hundred quid (since dollars tend to get converted to pounds for this kind of goods in the UK). 

IIRC, the LX3 came in at £399, so the LX5 could be similar.  I'd be surprised if it was as high as £499.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 22 July, 2010, 02:26:23 pm
I fear the recession will mean higher prices this time.  My wild guess for the LX5's initial price is £450 to £499 from proper main dealers, and £350 to £400 from more dodgy ones.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: harrumph on 09 August, 2010, 02:12:40 pm
Samsung EX1 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungtl500/) looks like a good alternative - f1.8 lens, lovely bright AMOLED screen, the same excellent sensor as the Canon G11 and it's significantly cheaper than the other RAW-capable compacts.

If I hadn't recently bought a new, lesser camera (just after getting back from the French Alps, duh!) I'd be very tempted...
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 09 August, 2010, 02:20:30 pm
72mm (equiv) is not enough for my liking :'(

It's a shame more compacts don't provide a RAW option.  They all shoot RAW, presumably, before converting to JPEG?
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Woofage on 09 August, 2010, 02:30:57 pm
no, probably means something rude in Korean.  Same reason the toyota MR2 never really worked in France.

4 is an unlucky number in Korea (and some other East Asian countries). For instance, a lot of Korean buildings don't have a fourth floor (or, at least, a floor numbered 4, for the pedants in the forum).

In Chinese, the word for "4" sounds similar to the word for death so I'm told. Therefore, 4 is avoided in many SE Asian countries. Bit like 13 in the West.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: clarion on 09 August, 2010, 02:41:32 pm
Yes, the 60mm limit put me off the LX3.  I like a bit of telephoto, and have an LX2.

The only weak point of the LX3 for me.

Mind you, I've done most of my best photography with a 35mm prime.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: harrumph on 09 August, 2010, 02:59:40 pm
72mm (equiv) is not enough for my liking :'(
Canon Powershot S90 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons90/) (which seems to be the G11 in a smaller package - too small for my liking) just might suit, then...

But I value the 24mm (equivalent) wide angle of the Samsung above the 28-105mm range of the Canon! It seems to be difficult to get a zoom any wider than ~28mm in a camera more ambitious than a compact without paying an arm and a leg. I dare say there is some technical reason for that which I don't appreciate.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: David Martin on 09 August, 2010, 03:03:02 pm
And with many Canon compacts you can use CHDK to get RAW and other goodies.

..d
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 09 August, 2010, 03:49:16 pm
72mm (equiv) is not enough for my liking :'(
Canon Powershot S90 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons90/) (which seems to be the G11 in a smaller package - too small for my liking) just might suit, then...

But I value the 24mm (equivalent) wide angle of the Samsung above the 28-105mm range of the Canon! It seems to be difficult to get a zoom any wider than ~28mm in a camera more ambitious than a compact* without paying an arm and a leg. I dare say there is some technical reason for that which I don't appreciate.

Yes, me too.  In a compact I'd much rather have a 24mm-to-anything, over a 28mm max wide zoom.  

*BTW rumour has it that Panasonic will release a fixed 24-something mm zoom on a rangefinder 'style' m4/3 system... hopefully with silent shutter.  

The LX3 at 60mm, having a 1/1.63" sensor and lower MP/cm2, is fairly cropable, to increase 'zoom' factor.  The LX5's max 90mm would be welcome but I spend much more time down the other end of the zoom...  :)


Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 09 August, 2010, 03:53:42 pm
It's 60mm for the LX3 according to Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmclx3/)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 09 August, 2010, 03:56:49 pm
It's 60mm for the LX3 according to Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmclx3/)

Indeed, just testing...  ;)

By way of illustration... cropping from 60mm.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2644/3827383225_da403d6ee5_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/3827383225/)
Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/3827383225/)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3831547010_81c8f49150_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/3831547010/)

and 100% crop (not that you'd print this)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/3848449125_8524d8ffc7_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25983110@N05/3848449125/)

EXIF
Camera    Panasonic DMC-LX3
Exposure    0.025 sec (1/40)
Aperture    f/2.8
Focal Length 12.8 mm (60mm equiv.)
ISO Speed 80
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 09 August, 2010, 04:23:55 pm
I appreciate there's scope for plenty of cropping when you have such high image quality and resolution to start with, but still 60mm wouldn't be enough for me.  I crop even with the LX2 at 112mm to pick out details from landscapes and urbanscapes.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 09 August, 2010, 04:27:35 pm
I appreciate there's scope for plenty of cropping when you have such high image quality and resolution to start with, but still 60mm wouldn't be enough for me.  I crop even with the LX2 at 112mm to pick out details from landscapes and urbanscapes.

Fairynuff, what ever one needs at the end of the day.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 09 August, 2010, 04:30:40 pm
I have to admit that's a very impressive 100% crop above.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: frankly frankie on 09 August, 2010, 06:23:52 pm
I appreciate there's scope for plenty of cropping when you have such high image quality and resolution to start with, but still 60mm wouldn't be enough for me.

Which is why the LX5 looks interesting (where the LX3 wasn't, to me).  90mm equiv is a whole heap more usable.

I don't know why manufacturers don't go down the 'T' and 'W' route.  A 'W' model, 24-60 and a 'T' model, say 35-150, otherwise as near as dammit identical in handling and good quality.  One in each pocket - I'd go for that.  Red and green for port and starboard.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Biggsy on 09 August, 2010, 07:12:42 pm
....Or even have interchangeable lenses!  I suppose it's all too tightly integrated for that, though, and it couldn't be so small.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Woofage on 10 August, 2010, 09:37:23 am
....Or even have interchangeable lenses!  I suppose it's all too tightly integrated for that, though, and it couldn't be so small.

I guess they have micro 4/3 for that. But as you suggested, it would be nowhere near as compact.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 10 August, 2010, 10:43:45 am
....Or even have interchangeable lenses!  I suppose it's all too tightly integrated for that, though, and it couldn't be so small.

I guess they have micro 4/3 for that. But as you suggested, it would be nowhere near as compact.

Yes bigger, and unfortunately Panasonic & Oly m4/3 options for decent 24mm or less - wideangle, are expensive.  At the moment... a further ~£500 for an Oly 9-19mm, or ~£1000 for Pany 7-14mm on top of camera kit price (and an extra lens to carry around...)

If on the other hand one is not intending to print super large, and doesn't need too much telephoto, then an the 24-90mm LX5 makes a lot of sense.  The DMW-LW46E (x0.75) converter would take the LX5 down to 18mm f/2.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: mike on 10 August, 2010, 11:02:05 am
.. those converters weigh a ton though, I looked at one when I had an LX3 and decided not to because it was taking it too close to SLR weight
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 10 August, 2010, 12:10:34 pm
.. those converters weigh a ton though, I looked at one when I had an LX3 and decided not to because it was taking it too close to SLR weight

At ~430g it is quite heavy isn't it; given the LX3 is only about 260g - so combined it's a bit more than an e.g. D90 body only.  At the mo I'm happy with 24mm.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: bomber on 04 September, 2010, 07:00:43 pm
LX5 is everything i want in a compact!  But damn it's expensive :(  So bought an S90 instead for £260.  Seems rather good so far!
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 04 September, 2010, 09:24:28 pm
Panasonic Lumix LX5 10.1MP Digital Camera - Black: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003WOKUVK/ref=asc_df_B003WOKUVK812282?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B003WOKUVK)

~£353 is a good price now though; it was first up for a very unrealistic £450 a few weeks ago I noticed.  I think my LX3 was £360-ish about 18mths ago.  Well it was about £330, the first time around, but I was sold, then returned,  a grey import (no Pany insurance etc etc); the second time it was more...
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: bomber on 04 September, 2010, 11:11:32 pm
still, thats the same money i spent on my D40X with kit lens new. Paying slr money for a compact just seems daft!
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 04 September, 2010, 11:43:13 pm
You found a good price for the S90 - & def more 'sleek' that the LX3/5.   Though the LX5 could well be the best digital compact made to date...  ;)  MMV of course.

There seem to be a number of new dSLRs + kit lens that go for £300-350 new, but it's a bulk thing for me, I knew I wanted something small after years of lugging my Nikon SLR & favourite 24-70mm f/2.8 MF around.  So I seem to have by-passed dSLRs for the moment, and taking mainly landscape & interior, I find the LX3's 24-60mm f/2-2.8 just the job.  
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: frankly frankie on 15 September, 2010, 02:28:26 pm
still, thats the same money i spent on my D40X with kit lens new. Paying slr money for a compact just seems daft!

I've never understood this.  Many commodities carry a hefty price premium for being small and/or light, so why not cameras.
Forget the image quality for a moment - to me a well-designed compact is likely to be a more useful picture-taking tool than any SLR.  I do have both, and I know which gives me the more 'keeper' pictures.
OTOH if it's not about the end result, but more about enjoying the hunt, playing with the gear and capturing the moment - which I believe it is for a large proportion of photographers, including me - then yes an ILC and a bagful of lenses wins hands down.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: harrumph on 17 September, 2010, 01:30:59 pm
LX5 is everything i want in a compact!  But damn it's expensive :(  So bought an S90 instead for £260.  Seems rather good so far!
Ken Rockwell certainly likes it (http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/s90.htm)  :)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 17 September, 2010, 02:02:07 pm
LX5 is everything i want in a compact!  But damn it's expensive :(  So bought an S90 instead for £260.  Seems rather good so far!
Ken Rockwell certainly likes it (http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/s90.htm)  :)


KR tends to favour all things Canon, and Nikon dSLRs... here's his 'summing up' of the Panasonic LX3...  ;)

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Compared to the Leica D-Lux 4 (a.k.a. Panasonic Lumix)

There is no comparison.

Unless I missed something when I tried it, the Leica D-Lux 4 (Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3K) lacks the emancipating direct control rings of the S90. Sure, the Leicasonic has a control switch around the lens for cropping, but no ability to control anything useful around the lens as does a real camera or the S90.

This lack of direct control, and the suffocatingly complex menu system of the Leicasonic that replaces the direct controls of the S90, relegates the Leicasonic to the consumer electronics aisle, not the photography aisle.

As an LX3 user I particularly find the last sentence amusing...

I be interested to see how people find the direct control ring on the S90/95, and how easy it is to operate one handed.  I suppose one gets used to most things.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: arvid on 17 September, 2010, 02:44:49 pm
I usually don't read this part of the forum but since the usb connector on my Ricoh R8 came loose I am looking at a new compact(the R8 works, but now I need a card reader to get my pictures off), and brought the choice down to the LX5, S95 or EX1. Because I like good stuff, but not weight. Before the R8 I had a Canon G3, but that's too heavy and slow to use on the bike.
Since I have no certainty about income I am procrastinating the purchase for now.
The camera would mostly be used for quick snaps while cycling (audaxes), and I think the S95 is the only one that doesn't have a lens cap that has to be removed manually. That's a two hand job and puts the S95 far above the others for me, because that's an act that has to be performed *every* time when you get it out.
Otherwise it's landscapes so wider is better, and often in the dark or with low light, so a faster lens is also better. The zoom end of the lens isn't really a concern. Weight and the amount of pictures it can take is a concern, on events like LEL, PBP and Mille Miglia.

I really like the screen of the EX1, because shots like
http://arvid.org/mm2010/ROT04088.JPG
are a total gamble otherwise (this one works, about 80% of the pics I take like this is total crap).

My conclusion isn't made up yet, I'll do that with a hands on test when I'm sure I can miss the money. But so far it's:
S95: Pro: weight, size, no lens cap. Con: 28mm, 200 pictures per battery
EX1: Pro: screen, price, fastest lens. Con: weight, 240 pictures per battery
The LX5 is in between on most things. Pro: 400 pics per battery, Con: price

Any comments on that?
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: ed_o_brain on 17 September, 2010, 02:50:12 pm
Buy a card reader! :)
It will stop the USB connector on your next camera working lose over time too!
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: arvid on 17 September, 2010, 02:57:02 pm
Yebbut I like how the camera software transfers automatically only the new pictures and puts them in a folder with the name of the date they were made. I'm lazy. (and those camera's are all a lot better than my R8)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: ed_o_brain on 17 September, 2010, 04:00:34 pm
just clear the memory card once you have transferred the photos across! ;)

I'd go into your local camera shop and try the different cameras out.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 17 September, 2010, 04:12:48 pm
I usually don't read this part of the forum but since the usb connector on my Ricoh R8 came loose I am looking at a new compact(the R8 works, but now I need a card reader to get my pictures off), and brought the choice down to the LX5, S95 or EX1. Because I like good stuff, but not weight. Before the R8 I had a Canon G3, but that's too heavy and slow to use on the bike.
Since I have no certainty about income I am procrastinating the purchase for now.
The camera would mostly be used for quick snaps while cycling (audaxes), and I think the S95 is the only one that doesn't have a lens cap that has to be removed manually. That's a two hand job and puts the S95 far above the others for me, because that's an act that has to be performed *every* time when you get it out.
Otherwise it's landscapes so wider is better, and often in the dark or with low light, so a faster lens is also better. The zoom end of the lens isn't really a concern. Weight and the amount of pictures it can take is a concern, on events like LEL, PBP and Mille Miglia.

I really like the screen of the EX1, because shots like
http://arvid.org/mm2010/ROT04088.JPG
are a total gamble otherwise (this one works, about 80% of the pics I take like this is total crap).

My conclusion isn't made up yet, I'll do that with a hands on test when I'm sure I can miss the money. But so far it's:
S95: Pro: weight, size, no lens cap. Con: 28mm, 200 pictures per battery
EX1: Pro: screen, price, fastest lens. Con: weight, 240 pictures per battery
The LX5 is in between on most things. Pro: 400 pics per battery, Con: price

Any comments on that?

I use a cheap £2 USB SDHC card reader to transfer images to Picasa, haven't used USB cable for a long time.

But on camera options... Have you thought about an LX3 (rather than LX5), because you should be able to get one for £275-300, or less.  Pixmania are doing LX3 for £280 I think (but watch out for non-english user manual).

The LX3's 24mm f/2 is great for landscapes, and if you're not too bothered about zoom, at 60mm it's only 10mm or so less than the EX1. AFAIA the EX1 has no user variable NR settings, so you'd have to tinker with RAW files if necessary.  The S95 looks good; though I'd miss the 24mm (as I've said). But whatever suits.  :)

BTW the LX3, uses unchipped batteries unlike the new LX5, so one has the option to buy inexpensive third party batteries.  I have 3 batteries in total.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: pcolbeck on 17 September, 2010, 04:50:20 pm
Yebbut I like how the camera software transfers automatically only the new pictures and puts them in a folder with the name of the date they were made. I'm lazy. (and those camera's are all a lot better than my R8)

You can get software that does that with card readers. I use Acdsee and it does this with my car dreader no matter what camera the card is from. So does Picassa I think for that matter.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Rob S on 21 September, 2010, 09:33:13 am
For the people that want the same camera but with a red dot on the front....and a £630 tag, the Panasonic LX5 with a red dot on the front Leica D Lux 5 :thumbsup:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10092127leicadlux5.asp
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 08 October, 2010, 05:28:30 pm
Re the LX3. I've just belatedly noticed that the firmware is at v2.2 (I had v1. The upgrade was simple and quick).

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/download/LX3/index.html (http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/download/LX3/index.html)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 09 October, 2010, 01:08:21 am
Re the LX3. I've just belatedly noticed that the firmware is at v2.2 (I had v1. The upgrade was simple and quick).

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/download/LX3/index.html (http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/download/LX3/index.html)

v2+ more or less amounted to LX3-II, because of added functionality; definitely worth doing.  Shame they didn't bung in an intervalometer too, but oh well can't have everything.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 09 October, 2010, 01:16:21 pm
I notice that post-upgrade it no longer closes the lens when you switch into playback mode. Good for when you just want to quickly review a few shots, I guess, but I think I preferred it as it was before. OTOH, I do prefer the way it resumes at the previously-used zoom level when switched on (although I do wish it would stop tellling me this via a text box when doing so).

I've yet to explore the rest of the changes. It seems enought to warrant a revised operating manual.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 11 October, 2010, 11:16:22 pm
I notice that post-upgrade it no longer closes the lens when you switch into playback mode. Good for when you just want to quickly review a few shots, I guess, but I think I preferred it as it was before. OTOH, I do prefer the way it resumes at the previously-used zoom level when switched on (although I do wish it would stop tellling me this via a text box when doing so).

I've yet to explore the rest of the changes. It seems enought to warrant a revised operating manual.

>I notice that post-upgrade it no longer closes the lens when you switch into playback mode.

It still retracts - about 20s or so later.

>although I do wish it would stop tellling me this via a text box when doing so

Yes, there should be an option not have the 'advisory text', although, as soon as the text appears if you lightly touch the shutter release the text disappears.

Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: PH on 17 October, 2010, 12:47:00 am
I fear the recession will mean higher prices this time.  My wild guess for the LX5's initial price is £450 to £499 from proper main dealers, and £350 to £400 from more dodgy ones.

Price is still falling, £335 from one of the dodgy ones.  I've been without a camera for a while so I'm tempted, how dodgy can they be?
Panasonic Cameras - Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 (Black) Digital Still Camera (http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=11394)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 17 October, 2010, 01:09:34 am
I fear the recession will mean higher prices this time.  My wild guess for the LX5's initial price is £450 to £499 from proper main dealers, and £350 to £400 from more dodgy ones.

Price is still falling, £335 from one of the dodgy ones.  I've been without a camera for a while so I'm tempted, how dodgy can they be?
Panasonic Cameras - Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 (Black) Digital Still Camera (http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=11394)

£351 here Panasonic Lumix LX5 10.1MP Digital Camera - Black: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-Lumix-10-1MP-Digital-Camera/dp/B003WOKUVK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1287273782&sr=1-1)

You do have to be careful that you're getting UK/EU registered stock for a valid guarantee, and also PAL video playback (if important).  I got my second LX3 from John Lewis, after buying (then returning) an american version off a lesser known site , but I would have thought Amazon only sell EU stock cams.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: PH on 03 November, 2010, 01:35:31 pm
First day out with the LX5, a walk around Matlock before watching the illuminated boats being rowed along the river.  
Bought to replace a five year old Olympus C-7000 and only because that died, technology has obviously moved on so no real comparison. It has already exceeded my expectations.  It'll be a while before I find this cameras limitations, though it found mine soon enough.  The feel and controls are fantastic, most of the manual options were also available on the Olympus but hidden away in some sub menu, I can see me using them far more because they're so easy to access.  
Lumsdale Valley
(http://www.derbyctc.org.uk/ph/ml/valley.jpg)
One of the waterfalls
(http://www.derbyctc.org.uk/ph/ml/waterfall.jpg)
Bandstand
(http://www.derbyctc.org.uk/ph/ml/bandstand.jpg)
Candlelit boat
(http://www.derbyctc.org.uk/ph/ml/boat.jpg)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andrewc on 22 November, 2010, 06:10:10 pm
If anyone is thinking of buying one of these, Panasonic are offering an additional 2 years warranty on cameras bought in store before 31/01/11

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Dealers/Lumix+3+Year+Warranty+Offer+-+Dealer+Locator/Lumix+3+Year+Warranty+Offer+-+T+%26+C/6283092/index.html#anker_6283095 (http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Dealers/Lumix+3+Year+Warranty+Offer+-+Dealer+Locator/Lumix+3+Year+Warranty+Offer+-+T+%26+C/6283092/index.html#anker_6283095)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: geraldc on 22 November, 2010, 06:21:53 pm
For some reason my other half has her heart set on the Leica version, nearly double the price  just for the badge. It's just like bikes  ;D
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Post by: andyoxon on 22 November, 2010, 07:31:39 pm
For some reason my other half has her heart set on the Leica version, nearly double the price  just for the badge. It's just like bikes  ;D

I read of someone attending a local Leica owners camera club meet, with an LX3 sporting stuck on red dot, rather than D-LUX 4, needless to say the assembled gathering was not amused.
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Post by: andyoxon on 24 November, 2010, 11:28:49 am
LX5 in group review  Enthusiast Compact Camera Group Test (Q4 2010) Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q42010highendcompactgroup/)
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Post by: harrumph on 24 November, 2010, 02:07:53 pm
Certainly looks the pick of those three...

...but I'm still happy with my Ricoh GX200 - phew!
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Post by: arvid on 24 November, 2010, 07:16:50 pm
Missing from that test is the Samsung EX1. That the P7000 was no match for the other two is not really news. I'm still out of money, and I still don't know whether it will be the S95, the EX1, or both.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: harrumph on 25 November, 2010, 10:16:01 am
EX1 was certainly a contender for my recent purchase, with its fast lens and AMOLED screen; but I just don't like using "bezel around a button" dials. I certainly recommend handling a prospective camera in a shop, even if doing so adds 10% to the price.

I ended up buying this camera (http://www.ricoh.com/r_dc/gx/gx200/), largely on the basis of its controls (although there are a couple of other things it does better than most of the competition). The drawback to it is that it is expensive for a camera that is now a couple of years behind the technological state of the art probably represented by the LX5 (which was runner-up in my personal "handling and controls" category).

Now if somebody would just make a compact camera with an articulating screen which hinges upwards rather than sideways, my wallet might be tempted out again...
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: arvid on 25 November, 2010, 11:53:12 pm
Oh great, give me more options to think of. Luckily the reason I'm looking for a new one is that my Ricoh R8 fell apart(which I was not impressed with anyway), so I have some preoccupations against Ricoh.
Instead of upwards you can go downwards, (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5000/page2.asp) but it is a bit of a different camera.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: Jakob on 26 November, 2010, 12:45:40 am
I'm about to jump on a Samsung TL500/EX1..that or the Canon S95.

I would ideally like it to be $100 cheaper, but the feature set of that range of cameras is hard to argue with.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: geraldc on 04 December, 2010, 10:29:43 pm
Well the Leica's here and it's gorgeous. It's not mine, but at least I get to play with it.

Amusingly everyone is out of stock of the Leica leather case, so they suggested buying the Panasonic Lumix LX5 leather case and putting it in that. I now understand why the Panasonic model is a different shape, the more expensive Leica can fit in the Panasonic fitted case, but the cheaper Panasonic can't fit in the Leica fitted case.

(http://www.pbase.com/image/130873626/original.jpg)


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Post by: andyoxon on 05 December, 2010, 08:33:54 pm
Why does Leica seem to be immune to ergonomics, are hand grips beneath them.  ???    ;)

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/Q42010highendcompactgroup/Images/LX5/allroundview.jpg

I must admit I'd rather have the grip than a fitted leather case (with no room for spare battery/cards/lens cloth)...
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Post by: geraldc on 05 December, 2010, 11:26:09 pm
Leica do have a handgrip option, it's just another £65. It's a metal bracket you screw into the tripod mount, to provide the same kind of bulge as the Panasonic. 

The Panasonic fitted leather case is gorgeous, it's £85, and is a throw back to the leather cases of the 1970s.  The lower part of the case is attached to the camera, and the top part can be lifted up and back to reveal the camera. The equivalent Leica case is £135 and much much bigger.



Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: harrumph on 06 January, 2011, 02:33:33 pm
Compact camera design marches on, and the Olympus XZ-1 (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympusxz1/) has now touched down (well, almost).

Looks rather nice, particularly for those who crave DoF control combined with an OLED (i.e. really bright) display and an S90-style (except that it's not customisable) ring-around-the-lens control dial (just as well that it has that, given that its other main control seems to be one of those dreadful bezel-round-a-button things on the rear of the body).

The state-of-the-art VF-2 electronic viewfinder that the E-P2 uses also fits the XZ-1 - a big bonus for those who like/need a viewfinder (although the price don't 'arf mount up - around £620, I reckon).

It could probably do with a Franiec custom grip (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/#camera_dp1), and no doubt one will be along shortly...

Does it have the same sensor as the LX3 and LX5?

Only 1 custom mode, mind... what with that, and the bezel thingy, I remain firmly convinced that Ricoh are the kings of camera ergonomics. I don't know why all other high-end compact camera makers don't just copy their controls and menu system and have done with it.


PS This (http://www.olympus-europa.com/consumer/198_accessory_pt-050_24008.htm) will swing it for people who like getting wet  :)
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: andyoxon on 08 January, 2011, 09:17:58 am
Compact camera design marches on, and the Olympus XZ-1 (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympusxz1/) has now touched down (well, almost).

Looks rather nice, particularly for those who crave DoF control combined with an OLED (i.e. really bright) display and an S90-style (except that it's not customisable) ring-around-the-lens control dial (just as well that it has that, given that its other main control seems to be one of those dreadful bezel-round-a-button things on the rear of the body).

The state-of-the-art VF-2 electronic viewfinder that the E-P2 uses also fits the XZ-1 - a big bonus for those who like/need a viewfinder (although the price don't 'arf mount up - around £620, I reckon).

It could probably do with a Franiec custom grip (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/#camera_dp1), and no doubt one will be along shortly...

Does it have the same sensor as the LX3 and LX5?

Only 1 custom mode, mind... what with that, and the bezel thingy, I remain firmly convinced that Ricoh are the kings of camera ergonomics. I don't know why all other high-end compact camera makers don't just copy their controls and menu system and have done with it.


PS This (http://www.olympus-europa.com/consumer/198_accessory_pt-050_24008.htm) will swing it for people who like getting wet  :)

The Olympus XZ-1 does look good; though 28mm as max wideangle is disappointing (if I was in the market for one).  Could well be the same sensor; seems an identical size at 1/1.63"  The new m4/3 Olympus E-PL2 (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1101/11010622olympusepl2.asp) looks good too - has a great jpeg engine.
Title: Re: LX5 to arrive soon...
Post by: PH on 08 January, 2011, 01:17:21 pm
That Olympus does look good, I'd have probably have chosen it over the LX5 if it had been around a few months ago, though the price difference when it's actually in the shops would have to be similar.  My previous three cameras had been Olympus and it was the first place I looked for a replacement, there was nothing to match the LX5 at the time.  I can't see if it's available on the XZ-1, the wireless remote on my previous Olympus was so useful, I really miss it.
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The new m4/3 Olympus E-PL2 looks good too
Yes, aren't M4/3 getting small?  I tend to change cameras every five or six years, by the time I'm looking for my next one I'm expecting them to be even smaller, maybe without interchangeable lenses.  With a fixed lens there's already not much difference in size between the LX5 and the new GF2.
http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/panasonicdmcgf2/Images/3way.jpg