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Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« on: 06 August, 2024, 12:49:56 pm »
Politics aside, how easy or difficult is it to block say X in the UK? 

Politics elsewhere please.  This is purely a question about technical capability.

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Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #1 on: 06 August, 2024, 12:52:48 pm »
Well-nigh impossible, I'd say.
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Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #2 on: 06 August, 2024, 01:06:38 pm »
It would be possible for the major ISPs to block a given site. They already do for some (e.g. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom).
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Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #3 on: 06 August, 2024, 01:26:57 pm »
Politics aside, how easy or difficult is it to block say X in the UK? 

Politics elsewhere please.  This is purely a question about technical capability.

For who and on what scale?

It's trivially easy to configure a DNS server to return NXDOMAIN for an arbitrary domain, which is a common technique used to block shitverts, and would be a good way for a home network admin to prevent Friendface exfiltrating their browsing data.

It's approximately as easy to bypass a DNS server that blocks things you don't want it to.

On a network where you've got malicious users trying to circumvent the block (eg. a home network with teenagers, a business network or an ISP), null-routing the relevant IP addresses would be the next step.  This is more of a game of whack-a-mole to administer, as you'd have to maintain the blocklist.

But ultimately, if the users have an approximation of a working internet connection, it's possible to run a VPN over it to somewhere that doesn't block whatever.  (Does anyone have that link to the guy who was bored on a flight and wrote a program to tunnel over the airline's frequent flyer miles account data form?)  In the UK, it's usually fairly easy for determined users to obtain an un-blocked connection via an alternative provider.  (For example, an employer or educational establishment wouldn't be able to control what users do on their own cellular connections.)  The old adage that "the Internet sees censorship as a fault and routes around it" has more than an element of truth.

At which point you end up changing tactic and concentrating the technical measures on *detecting* unauthorised use, and following up at a policy level (confiscating phones from teenagers, invoking HR on employees, suspending ISP accounts, sending the men in black round, whatever).  This can include traffic analysis, proxying, deep packet inspection and similar techniques.  The more effective ones tend to be expensive to implement at scale.


Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #4 on: 06 August, 2024, 02:03:03 pm »
Aside from the IT technical details there would also be legal technical details. What legislation would one use? If people are blocked from viewing the site are UK companies allowed to spend money advertising on the site? What about UK owned mutinationals?  Can the US arm of, say, BP advertise on the site?

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Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #5 on: 06 August, 2024, 06:29:18 pm »
Aside from the IT technical details there would also be legal technical details. What legislation would one use? If people are blocked from viewing the site are UK companies allowed to spend money advertising on the site? What about UK owned mutinationals?  Can the US arm of, say, BP advertise on the site?

under the online safety bill introduced under the Johnson government "companies must take preventative measures, including design measures, to mitigate a broad spectrum of factors that enable illegal activity, both on and offline.".  So if the government chose to target the various racist shite and incitements to riot etc on twitter as illegal they could fine Elon 10% of twitters global turnover - i think it would be offcom that does this fining.

The EU is going through a similar process with the US based tech giants mainly for their appalling attitude on privacy

In the past the twitter / facebook sites have tried to claim that they are neutral carriers of information (like a phone call) and not publishers.  But I think this excuse has worn thin.

As the Kim says, it is not really possible to totally "block" a website because of the way that the Internet works.  I suppose if twiitter was found to not be taking "preventative measures" then it could be (eventually, after years of horseshit) "banned" in the UK so that UK local ISPs could not carry it directly

In China websites are blocked by the great firewall of China, all social media is government controlled. The popularity of users on the gov social media is fed directly through to a real world ability to get loans or planning permission. That's another model that could be used

What you really need to bear in mind is that the owners and controllers of facebook, twitter etc are on the far right in a country (the US) far more far right than our own.  So these owners believe it is reasonable to view islamophobia as normal.  In this sense social media is just like traditional media.  Both are controlled by WASPs with their own agenda and you can't take any of the gas lighting "information" they carry or promote as true or useful

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Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #6 on: 07 August, 2024, 04:19:07 pm »
Given that preventing access is impossible without seriously eroding civil liberties governments could send the companies socking great bills, with punitive compound interest for late payment, for, say, the cost of policing riots advertised on their platforms, plus the usual administrative charges* associated with sending out the bills. 

In the absence of genitals to kick them in, going for their wallets is the next best way to make them pay attention.

*For some reason GBP 22 billion springs to mind as good starting point.
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Re: Restricting or blocking a social media platform in the UK
« Reply #7 on: 09 August, 2024, 03:08:53 pm »
Depends on what type of hosting the service you want to block is using. If its self hosting than they probably have a BGP AS number. The Tier 1 ISPs in the UK could simply refuse to accept any routes associated with that AS.  They sometimes already do this when some badly behaved AS starts advertising incorrect prefixes. Simple addition to a route map on the routers.

If the service is being hosted by someone else (e.g its on AWS using Amazon IP address space) then its a bit more difficulty and fiddly. Would need a prefix list creating with the known IP addresses involved and then probably null routing them.

There wouldn't be that many routers that needed configuring to do this, just the interconnection points between the tier 1 ISPs probably.

Denying something based on a URL e.g www.somecompany.com is harder as most routers do not understand that kind of thing so you cannot use it as a match to drop traffic.

You could write a program that discovered IPs the URL resolved to and than get that to use an API to keep updating an access list on a router that dropped the traffic though.

A VPN to another country would make it all moot though.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.