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« Reply #2425 on: 01 November, 2012, 11:28:38 am »
How can a hospital outpatients (ultrasound) appointment at 09:10 be running 45 minutes late? The cottage hospital in question doesn't have an A&E to jump the queue.
 

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« Reply #2426 on: 01 November, 2012, 12:16:30 pm »
How can a hospital outpatients (ultrasound) appointment at 09:10 be running 45 minutes late? The cottage hospital in question doesn't have an A&E to jump the queue.

Specialists can be asked to attend somewhere else with higher priority.

Chris S

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« Reply #2427 on: 02 November, 2012, 11:05:05 am »
It's as well I don't have any pets. Two hours of work, and I'm in the mood to kick something.  :(

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« Reply #2428 on: 02 November, 2012, 05:48:43 pm »
Bloody iron. Light comes on, but it stays cold. Now I know what the smell was last time I used it.
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« Reply #2429 on: 02 November, 2012, 06:04:52 pm »
It's as well I don't have any pets. Two hours of work, and I'm in the mood to kick something.  :(

It's Friday.Why are you working such long hours ;)

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« Reply #2430 on: 03 November, 2012, 02:44:39 pm »
Mac power adapter. You may look pretty but your job is to supply the right sort of electrons. You are failing dismally (and dangerously, it's not the first one I have had burn out) and are now redundant. Grr.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #2431 on: 04 November, 2012, 11:04:55 am »
Bugger. Our oven doesn't work.

The buttons on the front weren't working so we couldn't change the time when the clocks went back. Turned the oven off and on again and now the clock is flashing 00:00 and won't switch on at all without a time (any time) being set.

Is there anything obvious we should try or do we need to get someone in?

Same problem with a different oven (via some googling) mentioned taking the top cover off and bypassing the timer. Is this worth trying and is it safe to do having turned off the oven at the wall switch or should I kill power via the fusebox as well?
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #2432 on: 04 November, 2012, 11:25:26 am »
Oven switch should be double pole but check with a mains tester if you have one.
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« Reply #2433 on: 04 November, 2012, 11:33:33 am »
I have no idea what that means so will just kill it via fusebox. Now, where's my headtorch.  ;D
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« Reply #2434 on: 04 November, 2012, 11:58:23 am »
Bugger. Our oven doesn't work.

The buttons on the front weren't working so we couldn't change the time when the clocks went back. Turned the oven off and on again and now the clock is flashing 00:00 and won't switch on at all without a time (any time) being set.

Is there anything obvious we should try or do we need to get someone in?

Same problem with a different oven (via some googling) mentioned taking the top cover off and bypassing the timer. Is this worth trying and is it safe to do having turned off the oven at the wall switch or should I kill power via the fusebox as well?

That happened to me some time back.
I did short out the timer to get it working.
Sorry I can't give any advice as I used mostly guesswork, but somehow got away with it.
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« Reply #2435 on: 04 November, 2012, 03:35:44 pm »
Hmm, had a look online, found someone with a similar oven with the same part number for the timer with detail on which wires to short circuit  :thumbsup:

Except my wiring doesn't seem to match theirs  ??? If I post a picture of our diagram and board would anyone like to hazard a guess at what wires I should play with?

I'm assuming that the clock/control wiring is, if shorted wrongly, of a kind to just not work rather than catch fire, surely only the element wiring is carrying a large amount of juice?
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Miles cycled 2012 = 4038.1

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« Reply #2436 on: 04 November, 2012, 03:52:13 pm »
Hmm, had a look online, found someone with a similar oven with the same part number for the timer with detail on which wires to short circuit  :thumbsup:

Except my wiring doesn't seem to match theirs  ??? If I post a picture of our diagram and board would anyone like to hazard a guess at what wires I should play with?

I'm assuming that the clock/control wiring is, if shorted wrongly, of a kind to just not work rather than catch fire, surely only the element wiring is carrying a large amount of juice?

Go on, post a picture of it.

Also, on many ovens, if you un-screw the plate where the mains cable comes into the oven to gain access to the main incoming terminals, there is often a diagram of the internal wiring on a sticker somewhere in that area.   That would be most usefull.

Regarding failure modes:
They would fall into these categories, I suspect:

1) Just not work.
2) Go BANG and blow the fuse / circuit breaker, but no other major damage.

I suspect the fire risk is minimal, so long as you are able to make good quality connections.


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« Reply #2437 on: 04 November, 2012, 04:35:40 pm »
Right, this is what I have so far. Will have to pull the oven out more to get to where the mains cable comes in but this is the timer block and the diagram it has on it. Might be enough to work from?

One back of timer:



One top of timer and drawing of diagram:




And one set of crimper:



The spade connectors in the crimping set are a bit smaller that the ones already on the wires but not by a great deal so I assume they'll be up to the job?

For reference this is the answer I found regarding a different model oven (mine is a Neff b1441 rather than a u1551) which takes the same timer block. You'll see their one is wired differently though (eg top left wire on mine is a single wires whereas theirs is a double).

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #2438 on: 04 November, 2012, 05:19:22 pm »
Good luck.  :thumbsup:

Let us know how it goes.
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« Reply #2439 on: 04 November, 2012, 05:31:24 pm »
Good luck.  :thumbsup:

Let us know how it goes.

Or ask your relatives to.
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« Reply #2440 on: 04 November, 2012, 05:32:16 pm »
OK after reading the linked thread, and looking at your pictures, I'd say:

The Blue and Red wires at the bottom right of your photo are the timer's own power supply, and may be marked as 1 and 2 as per your diagram.
Leave these alone.

The 2 white boxes on the Left and Right of the timer unit are the relays, which switch things on and off.

On the top left, the Purple and White wires need linked.
These will we either 3&4, or 5&6, again, per your diagram.

On the top right, the 2 reds need linking.
These will be the other pair, 3&4 or 5&6, whichever the other pair wasn't.

If there's numbering on the PCB which contradicts this, then don't proceed.

After pulling the crimp connectors from the timer module, you'll probably find the crimps on the wires are the wrong sex to directly connect together; you'll need to chop one.
I'd be inclined to leave the insulated one alone, and chop the other.
Your crimp set looks fine, you'll probably need the blue ones.

Strip the insulation off the chopped wire as necessary by inspection ( the wire should just poke through the crimp, and the insulation on the wire should not be pushed into the crimping area ).
The crimping area should be filled with bare wire only, twisted nice and tight.

Place the empty crimp in the tool, in the correctly-coloured slot, lined up so the tool is pinching on the business-part of the crimp.
Ratchet the tool closed gently, so it's just gripping the crimp.

Insert the wire to the correct depth, and crimp it tightly.

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« Reply #2441 on: 04 November, 2012, 07:11:28 pm »
Bugger. Our oven doesn't work.

The buttons on the front weren't working so we couldn't change the time when the clocks went back. Turned the oven off and on again and now the clock is flashing 00:00 and won't switch on at all without a time (any time) being set.


I'd be tempted to look at the buttons, and check if there is something simple there that is the problem (like the contacts on them need cleaning) before hacking the oven functionality.

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« Reply #2442 on: 04 November, 2012, 07:24:05 pm »
Bugger. Our oven doesn't work.

The buttons on the front weren't working so we couldn't change the time when the clocks went back. Turned the oven off and on again and now the clock is flashing 00:00 and won't switch on at all without a time (any time) being set.

Is there anything obvious we should try or do we need to get someone in?

We had an oven that did that. Came back on with the timer set somehow. Pressing and/or holding various buttons got it to buzz and come to life / change mode.

... maybe a bit late now  :)

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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #2443 on: 04 November, 2012, 07:38:22 pm »
I have lost my winter boots. I can't fathom how, they're great big clumpy things.
Grumph.
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« Reply #2444 on: 04 November, 2012, 07:39:03 pm »
Haven't dismantled it yet. Will leave it till tomorrow though that will mean fettling via headtorch  :-\

Managed to prise the buttons off earlier but couldn't get the twiddly knob off so can't pull the timer out to check the contacts. Will probably try that before hitting the wiring.

Have tried all combinations of the buttons and nothing doing. Think they're dead. No idea when they conked out as we don't use the timer function. Though they obviously worked in the spring when the clocks changed.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #2445 on: 04 November, 2012, 07:53:27 pm »
On many oven timer modules I've had to play with, the magic incantation to set the time is:

Hold down TWO of the other buttons ( perhaps the left-hand 2, depending on layout ) whilst pressing the up / down buttons as required.

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« Reply #2446 on: 04 November, 2012, 08:18:47 pm »
Yeah, that's the combo the manual recommend, well except it's a twisty rather than up/down buttons.

Did notice a charcoally patch on the inside of the top panel right above the clokc indicating something has let the magic smoke out. Can't have been too vital though as the clock was still working just not the buttons.
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Re: The Grumble Thread - No energy for a full on rant.
« Reply #2447 on: 06 November, 2012, 03:15:18 pm »
Wishing this lurgy would work out which organs to infect and get on with it.

Seems to have settled on the lungs for now.  Marvellous.  *hack* *wheeze*

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« Reply #2448 on: 06 November, 2012, 03:21:09 pm »
Why am I spending my time re-writing a 600 page manual into a 20 page document. Can't I just reference the appropriate bits of the manual please?
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« Reply #2449 on: 06 November, 2012, 09:02:12 pm »
Why am I spending my time re-writing a 600 page manual into a 20 page document. Can't I just reference the appropriate bits of the manual please?

Can't you just print it in a REALLY small font?
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