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Mr Larrington

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24375 on: 25 February, 2024, 05:26:25 pm »
I am.  It’s a very slow and tedious process thobut, involving much faffage with FTP.  Seven files downloaded, three converted to .mp4 format, 20-something to go.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24376 on: 27 February, 2024, 06:08:32 pm »
British Gas billing department.
Having received your proposal to reduce my DD a couple of months ago, I'm glad I challenged it, despite the usual call hold shenanigans wasting my time as what you proposed would have run me deeper into debt.
I've finally managed to decipher (from my side) the fuck-ups in billing that you have made during the past year. Its a real shame you couldn't.

Roll on other energy co's actively seeking new customers. I don't care if it's the same price under a cap. I want competent billing.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24377 on: Yesterday at 09:19:48 am »
Octopus are the answer.
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citoyen

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24378 on: Yesterday at 10:18:20 am »
Octopus are the answer.

We recently got moved to Octopus from Shell, who decided they no longer wanted us. We got moved to Shell when whoever it was we were with before (I forget) went kaput.

The myth of the free market. The illusion of choice.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24379 on: Yesterday at 10:21:35 am »
Octopus are the answer.

Except when they install a smart (gas) meter that won't talk to anyone or anything.
It is simpler than it looks.

Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24380 on: Yesterday at 10:28:58 am »
Octopus are the answer.

We recently got moved to Octopus from Shell, who decided they no longer wanted us. We got moved to Shell when whoever it was we were with before (I forget) went kaput.

The myth of the free market. The illusion of choice.

Shell sold their domestic supply business to Octopus but I suspect you know that.

There was a tonne of choice but shoddy market regulation, a few cowboys running short positions and a market with moves never seen before did for that.

Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

citoyen

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24381 on: Yesterday at 11:09:33 am »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24382 on: Yesterday at 11:15:04 am »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
You can not ‘open up’ a utility market for consumer benefits. They are natural monopolies and any competition within them will be artificial and inefficient as well as costly to implement and monitor.
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citoyen

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24383 on: Yesterday at 11:40:13 am »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
You can not ‘open up’ a utility market for consumer benefits. They are natural monopolies and any competition within them will be artificial and inefficient as well as costly to implement and monitor.

Indeed, indeed.

Not just utilities though - any public service, eg transport, health etc.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24384 on: Yesterday at 11:57:10 am »
Speaking of which, buses.
Waited for a bus which didn't come this morning. It's no wonder the general populace drive everywhere.
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citoyen

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24385 on: Yesterday at 01:03:52 pm »
Speaking of which, buses.
Waited for a bus which didn't come this morning. It's no wonder the general populace drive everywhere.

I've been making a point of using the local buses a lot more since the £2 fare cap was introduced. The service seems to be generally quite reliable these days (though still not frequent enough) but there are still occasions when the expected bus simply never materialises.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24386 on: Yesterday at 03:44:19 pm »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
You can not ‘open up’ a utility market for consumer benefits. They are natural monopolies and any competition within them will be artificial and inefficient as well as costly to implement and monitor.

It's odd because I distinctly remember energy bills being the lowest they had ever been when competition was introduced.   Service was shit of course, but you can't have it both ways.

Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24387 on: Yesterday at 04:23:16 pm »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
You can not ‘open up’ a utility market for consumer benefits. They are natural monopolies and any competition within them will be artificial and inefficient as well as costly to implement and monitor.

It's odd because I distinctly remember energy bills being the lowest they had ever been when competition was introduced.   Service was shit of course, but you can't have it both ways.
After competition was introduced when they were all trying to woo us with cheap introductory offers?

"Creating cost savings through efficiencies" is a lie when you have to create a profit.

Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24388 on: Yesterday at 04:32:17 pm »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
You can not ‘open up’ a utility market for consumer benefits. They are natural monopolies and any competition within them will be artificial and inefficient as well as costly to implement and monitor.

It's odd because I distinctly remember energy bills being the lowest they had ever been when competition was introduced.   Service was shit of course, but you can't have it both ways.
After competition was introduced when they were all trying to woo us with cheap introductory offers?

"Creating cost savings through efficiencies" is a lie when you have to create a profit.

There was a game, that is still employed in insurance/telecoms/mortgages.   Price a one year fixed at zero margin and then make money when the customer drops onto a standard variable rate at the end of the contract (this reminds me I really need to call Sky).   The clever consumer made sure they never paid SVR by either restarting on a new fixed rate or moving to another supplier.

The game disappeared with the introduction of the price cap.   

Again, I come back to the point that energy suppliers don't make money.   30 suppliers went bust Winter 22.   SSE and npower walked away from their domestic supply businesses as they didn't want to do it any more.   The regulated gross margin in the price cap calc is 2.5%.   Why would you bother ?

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24389 on: Yesterday at 09:16:18 pm »
Ofgem's response is to tighten regulation still further so we'll be left with a handful of pretty poor large suppliers all offering pretty much the same product.

Opening up the market is never really for the consumer's benefit.
You can not ‘open up’ a utility market for consumer benefits. They are natural monopolies and any competition within them will be artificial and inefficient as well as costly to implement and monitor.

It's odd because I distinctly remember energy bills being the lowest they had ever been when competition was introduced.   Service was shit of course, but you can't have it both ways.
A situation that proved to be unsustainable* as many of the firms went bust. And that’s before to factor in the lack of strategic planning and a severe reduction in energy security.

*It reminds me of an interaction I had with a salesdroid during the feeding frenzy in picking up the customers after WorldCom went bang. I had prepared the bid which he considered to high because that made it a hard sell. ‘WorldCom could have priced it cheaper’ retorts he, ‘Evidently not’ replies I. Chuckling from his boss (who was also on the call).
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citoyen

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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24390 on: Yesterday at 10:08:18 pm »
Again, I come back to the point that energy suppliers don't make money.   30 suppliers went bust Winter 22.

Just shows what a terrible idea it was to open up energy supply to the free market.

Either it's a shit deal for the consumer or it's a shit deal for the company. It can't ever be a good deal for both (at least, not in a way that's sustainable) because of the conflicting interests.
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Re: The RANT thread (often contains fruity language)
« Reply #24391 on: Yesterday at 10:10:00 pm »
I’m never quite sure where the energy market debate is going.

I see the argument that energy companies have made billions and paid out dividends to shareholders but then arguments that suppliers were selling at a loss so they’ve gone bust.  I mean they can’t both be right can they ?

I’ve stood outside energy supply companies as the receivers have walked in and I’ve worked on deals where the founders have managed a successful exit (rare).  All with different reasons, though.  Broad sweeping generalisations are a waste of time.