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alfapete

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #25 on: 30 November, 2023, 03:34:11 pm »
Wow Pete, that was an amazing read.  Illuminating in many ways.  I was surprised just how organised JSO are with all the preparation and training, nice to hear how they operate.  Quite the adventure, and inspiring!

Thanks, Ben. I almost sent this to you directly cos I thought you'd be interested. When I got home I told one of my daughters that, on reflection, it was the closest thing to running the control on LEL. She looked puzzled, and then said "Community, exhaustion...??" which just about summed it up :)
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barakta

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #26 on: 30 November, 2023, 05:14:13 pm »
I can't beat what others, especially Ben have said. It is good to know there's lots of options and excellent levels of training, I know how hard it is to wrangle volunteers or even get interest.

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #27 on: 30 November, 2023, 06:50:53 pm »
People need to tell their pension companies they want their money invested in renewables funds or climate change tilted funds.

4 of my pensions are with Aviva.

There is no option to choose a renewables fund or even an ethical fund.

I do have one pension in such a fund; it was in Friends Provident, decades ago. That fund will not accept any further contributions (it is now part of Aviva).

So I'm not sure all parts of the industry are getting it.

I think it's a challenge, most people of my age have more pensions than they have fingers, and most of them seem to have changed hands (for a while despite having started out with nothing with L&G, I had three, now two of them are somewhere else).

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #28 on: 30 November, 2023, 11:08:26 pm »
Many thanks and congratulations for your selflessness, Pete. I’ve only just seen this.
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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #29 on: 01 December, 2023, 12:10:49 am »
Many thanks and congratulations for your selflessness, Pete. I’ve only just seen this.

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alfapete

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #30 on: 14 January, 2024, 12:00:08 pm »
UPDATE:  Following my activities in the original document I was facing two court cases. In each instance although I'd been arrested under Section 7 (Interference with use or operation of key national infrastructure) I was charged with Wilful Obstruction of the Highway which is a much lesser offence and does not include the option of going to Crown Court with the associated jury and increased court costs.

For the second offence I had a plea hearing ("Not Guilty") on Nov 15th as I'd been 'held over' for breaking bail conditions and, along with two co-defendants, was offered a court date of February 6th. But I was due to be on holiday then so we were all given January 10th instead - they kindly allow a change of date so long as the holiday is pre-booked. Bringing that date forward ended up working in our favour as we received no information about the prosecution's case despite chasing it up with the CPS both before and after Christmas. This meant we had no time to prepare a defence satisfactorily. A few days before the trial there was a rumour that it was going to be delayed by a fortnight but that turned out not to be the case. The CPS were woefully unprepared and decided not to proceed with the case due to lack of evidence. ............Woohoo!.............. But I'd spent ages preparing my statement and would have much preferred an acquittal  :).

For the first offence my plea hearing wasn't until December 22nd at 10am. I waited outside the Courtroom with another JSO person and was surprised that the area was so quiet as the time approached. Eventually a court usher came to find us - our case was on a different floor in a different courtroom but no one had thought to inform us. Four of us ended up appearing together but didn't get into court until 11.30am to be given copies of the evidence against us. We were given time to read it all before making our plea but it was difficult to concentrate on it in the noisy environment of the court waiting area, especially when the format is unfamiliar. We didn't get back in until after lunch while the magistrate dealt with other unrelated accused persons coming up from the cells. We went in and all pleaded NG with a fifth one of us, in true "Dice Man" fashion, only deciding his plea on a coin toss! We had a small win here by persuading the magistrate to remove our bail conditions which barred those of us from outside London from entering the area inside the M25. We got out at around 3.30pm. The inefficiency, chaos and understaffing was typical of an underfunded public service.

The defence for most cases is the Ziegler defence and it's all about proportionality and the ECHR Right to Free Speech and to Protest. Despite extensive reading and countless Zoom meetings I'm still a little hazy about how it works but I'm told that in protest cases it can be effective 30-40% of the time. From all I hear the verdict seems to depend far more on the identity and mood of the Magistrate than the case in front of them. It was interesting that while most JSO supporters choose to self represent unless they qualify for legal aid (which I don't) in each of my cases there has been one co-defendant who has chosen to be professionally represented - even the one who was a criminal defence barrister in a previous life (he says he gets too flustered and emotional while representing himself).

I'll get the chance to make my statement on April 30th.
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alfapete

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #31 on: 14 January, 2024, 12:09:08 pm »
Many JSO supporters are understandably vegan and I lived in a vegan house during the week of action. Whilst I'm increasingly vegetarian I do still enjoy a steak or a bacon sandwich.

One little aside which amused me on my day in court:
I went with two other JSO's to a take away for lunch and thought I'd follow their example and have a (delicious) felafel sandwich for lunch, feeling that I'd done the right thing and my cover hadn't been blown. Unfortunately it all fell apart when I accepted a disposable cup with my coffee and they each produced a collapsible, reusable cup from their handbags! Call yourself an environmentalist?

Footnote: One of these two was travelling by Eurostar to Paris after Christmas as she allowed herself to be vegetarian while on holiday and was very much looking forward to eating cheese for a few days. She was a real foodie and confessed how much of a sacrifice being vegan really was for her.
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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #32 on: 15 January, 2024, 03:50:35 pm »
Great to hear an update and some more about how these things work.

Chuckling at the image of a load of reusable cups being whipped out!
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barakta

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #33 on: 21 January, 2024, 06:10:24 pm »
Great to hear an update on this.

It is generally considered very poor form for legally qualified people to represent themselves "A lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client" is I believe the phrase. If ex-barrister can afford it, having representation reduces the risk of the bench being pissed off cos of the poor-form.

Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #34 on: 16 February, 2024, 07:53:47 pm »


Activist delayed 4,000 plane passengers in protest against 40C heat, court heard

Cambridge University student Cressida Gethin scaled a gantry above the M25 near Heathrow as part of a Just Stop Oil protest.



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Broadcaster and environmentalist Chris Packham, 62, told the west London court on Wednesday that he was stuck in the traffic for four to five hours during a trip from Hampshire to Surrey, where he was working on a BBC programme.

He told jurors he came to “sympathise” with the fact he was forced to think about climate change while he waited.

During her trial, Gethin, who has taken two years out of her university studies, said she aimed to “interrupt business as usual” and draw media attention to the “dire situation” represented by the temperature in Britain.

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #35 on: 19 February, 2024, 08:12:58 am »
Temperatures in Perth, Australia are 15C above average for this time of year.

In real terms, that means a solid week of temps above 40C, hitting 45C in the capital one day. some parts of the state went up to 50C.

The average for the year was over 1.5C above average.

There are ostriches who still deny that weather is changing.
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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #36 on: 19 February, 2024, 06:02:10 pm »
Emus Shirley  ;)
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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #37 on: 19 February, 2024, 06:12:01 pm »
Have any farmers been arrested for their slow tractor driving protest recently?

Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #38 on: 19 February, 2024, 07:20:43 pm »
Have any thugs jumped out of their vans and physically assaulted any farmers driving their tractors slowly recently?

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #39 on: 19 February, 2024, 08:52:42 pm »
Have any thugs jumped out of their vans and physically assaulted any farmers driving their tractors slowly recently?

You mean the Met?

Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #40 on: 20 February, 2024, 08:13:08 am »
I meant scaffolders, plasterers, etc. as you probably reduced, but yes, after watching a programme about the jackbooted thugs and the miners strike on the gogglebox last night, the Met too.

Excellent call.

alfapete

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 06:56:06 pm »
FURTHER UPDATE: Following two slow marching protests with Just Stop Oil my previous update explained how the action against me for my second arrest had been dropped by the CPS, probably because they couldn't assemble the necessary paperwork in time for the trial.

TL:DR  The result of the case relating to my first arrest was heard in Court and we (a group of 4) were acquitted because we had a lawful excuse for wilfully obstructing the highway using the Ziegler defence - our protest was proportionate. The prosecution case was a shambles, the CPS have NHS level admin skills.

FULL STORY: This is a detailed recounting of our day in court. Apologies to any legally qualified readers for the language used - I'm sure there are lots of inaccuracies.
After slow marching on Holloway Road on November 12th 2023 I had then pleaded 'Not Guilty' at the end of December and my trial date was set for April 30th 2024. Four of us were due for trial as a group for the same protest action but when our evidence papers arrived from the CPS (witness statements, body worn video DVD, custody records etc) we were given the date of April 29th instead which we confirmed by phone. We were now in a group of eight and potentially headed for a two day trial.

In the week leading up to the appearance the four who had been added to our group (let's call them A,B,C and D) were contacted by the court and had their case vacated (delayed) for rescheduling in July. A search online and two phonecalls, one to the CPS and one to the Court confirmed that we (E,F,G and Pete) should attend on Monday 29th. So we did just that.

Stratford Magistrate's Court (if you ever have to go allow at least half an hour for the security queue) weren't expecting us. Puzzled looks on faces, much head scratching and we were allowed into Court to meet the judge who wanted to establish why we'd arrived. They were expecting to see A,B,C and D this morning but we explained that their case had been delayed until July. The court said our case was scheduled for 30th. Questioning of the prosecution lawyer and the Court officials revealed that this had happened before and it was possibly because all eight of us had the same URN. The URN is the Unique Reference Number, but it's obviously not very unique. We explained that we had attended in good faith and had gone to great effort to confirm our attendance was required and requested that the case go ahead anyway - we knew the prosecution would have no evidence. The magistrate was a 'no nonsense' sort and so refused our request. Two of us had travelled from outside London (Worcs and Wilts) and had to find accommodation.
Ironically, we also discovered that for our case (E,F,G and Pete) the police witnesses had been summoned for the 30th. It was only the defendants they'd forgotten to inform. The prosecution said at one point "Well it's not our fault" to which the magistrate said "Well actually, it is".

Next day, Stratford (if you ever have to go allow at least half an hour for the security queue) we were expected! Same magistrate ("Call me Judge"), same prosecution lawyer. Five police had been summoned to appear as witnesses and were waiting patiently outside the Courtroom and their presence was discussed before the evidence-giving session began. Two of them were the arresting officers of A and B ("come back in July please"). One had arrested E so had at least turned up on the right day. E was considering contesting that his arrest had been illegal but in the end tactically decided against this and so this police officer was dismissed. The fourth police witness was a nasty piece of work whom we all remembered from the protest, and whom the defence lawyer had also taken an instant dislike to just from seeing her prancing around, prima donna-like, in the foyer. Much as we'd have liked to make her squirm we agreed to accept her written statement as evidence so she didn't have to take the stand and chose not to cross examine her. The thought was that she'd probably lie in the box  :o to maximise the impression of disruption caused and that wouldn't help our cause.

Prosecution case began. But immediately stumbled. As it did all day long. The lawyer's communication skills were pretty poor and her preparation was totally inadequate. She had the evidence relating to all eight accused in front of her because of the URN problem (so did we all, so much for GDPR) but couldn't work out which officer had arrested which defendant and couldn't locate the papers she wanted in a timely manner. And she couldn't get the appropriate body-worn police videos up without several attempts. One of the four (F) was represented under legal aid while the rest of us were self representing under the guidance of the Climate Action Support Pathway which trained us well. The legal aid solicitor was happy to give us all generalised advice and was very helpful to us all. And E was a former defence barrister and so had some worthwhile insights.

Just one police officer was called to give evidence in the Court, the other four who had waited over an hour were dismissed (and they say WE waste police time!). He was the overall commander on the day and was mild mannered, gave accurate representation of the truth as he saw it, did not speculate or condemn JSO. The defence lawyer and then E,G and Pete were invited to question him too. I'm sure I asked a question but can't remember what it was. The rest of the evidence was the reading out of the statements of the arresting officers and the showing of the relevant body-worn video footage. It showed little of the extent of the tailbacks because no one was deliberately pointing the camera in any particular direction, though we could see a few cars and two buses waiting. The arrival of an ambulance showed the protestors already leaving the road and a driverless police van parked across the road ahead of the protest extending the delay as it prevented cars moving aside to let the ambulance through.

Incidentally, the prosecution tried to get a CCTV video shown which tracked the whole of the protest. The lawyer had only been given access to it that morning and it was an hour long! As defendants we would have expected to have had two weeks foresight of the footage. The magistrate briefly contemplated and adjourned the court so that we could see it - the first ten minutes was advantageous to us as cars were passing us by but the defence lawyer said it was inadmissable, and as the prosecution lawyer hadn't yet seen it all the magistrate decided not to allow it as evidence because the prosecution "can't have been relying on it as it only appeared this morning".

And so on to the defence. F went first and her lawyer asked her questions about what had happened. The magistrate asked how F had become involved in JSO and about her life in general. Individually E, G and Pete could have cross examined F to bring out any points we felt hadn't yet been aired but there was little need. And then E, G and Pete each took the stand, gave a brief description of our position in life, how we came to be involved with JSO and what we remembered about the protest.

I began by explaining how I had a less emotional response to the climate emergency than many and that I took the pragmatic, scientific approach. And then I proceeded to break down (trembling voice, lump in throat; deep breath; continue carefully; as I retold the story of the 83 year old grandmother found floating in floodwater in her own home in Chesterfield). The magistrate lead the questioning and was determined to complete the case in one day after the delays at the beginning so we were each somewhat curtailed.
The prosecution lawyer cross examined us with very predictable questions for which we had ready answers, and she asked each of us the same questions despite never making any headway eg "Why did you choose the A1, it's a major highway, you caused a lot of disruption?" The response was basically "Because it was the A1 and we wanted to cause disruption to further our cause and raise publicity for it".

The prosecution then summed up and the magistrate didn't bother to let us do the same - she'd made her mind up already. We were acquitted having given heed to the Ziegler defence (see below) and were free to go and buy a round with the travel expenses granted. And free to protest again...


Ziegler: Under Articles 10 and 11 of the ECHR we have a right to protest and “public authorities should show a certain degree of tolerance towards peaceful gatherings”. Such protests should be proportionate and the relevancies we had to consider were:
•   We were protesting about a very important issue
•   Precise location of the protest
•   Targeted
•   Duration
•   Extent to which we blocked the road
•   Did we interfere with the rights of others
•   Was there disorder
•   Were the authorities given prior notification
I went into the appearance believing that it was a lottery and that the pre-held beliefs of the magistrate would be the most important factor. However, this magistrate had convicted four people the previous day on the same charge for a different offence – because it was longer and blocked more roads over a wider area.


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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 07:05:20 pm »
Brilliant, well done! And thanks for that detailed account.
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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 07:13:22 pm »
Very informative and interesting.  Thank you.
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« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 07:27:08 pm »
Thank you pete
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barakta

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Re: Just Stop Oil
« Reply #45 on: Today at 12:39:11 am »
Well done Pete. The courts are a complete shitshow. I hope they paid your accommodation costs as well as travel.

I feel sorry for the court staff and judges/magistrates cos they see the complete mess caused by cuts in police, courts etc every day and how to balance "getting anything done" with basic procedural fairness (not least cos if it's unfair, that's appealable).