Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Ivo on 16 November, 2023, 06:23:50 pm
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Hanze 6-9-6
The Hanseatic League, a union of trading cities, synonymous for trade and adventure, for tradesmen travelling the known world for all kinds of goods, to transport, to trade. Adventurers. All over Northern Europe you can find the traces of these adventurers. While riding the Hanze 6-9-6 you can follow the footprints of these illustrious Hanseatic adventurers.
A first series of Hanseatic Towns we find in the Ijsselvalley. The town of Deventer is our start town. During the first part of the route we visit a number of Hanseatic towns along the rivers, a.o. Venlo and Cologne. A nice flat route through the valleys of the Maas and Rhine. But it doesn't stay that flat, after Cologne we'll leave the Rhine Valley and cut through via a number of beautiful natural parcs to Braunschweig. Before you start, you'll declare your intent, return after Braunschweig to the flatlands and return to Deventer after 1200km, or continue for a whole lot of extra Hanseatic Towns, and only stop after 2100km. If you choose full value, you'll visit 3 famous Hanseatic towns, Rostock, Lübeck and Hamburg. You'll return to Braunschweig after completing this 900km lap through northern Germany.
After Braunschweig all routes continue via Bremen, Oldenburg, Groningen and Zwolle, an easy route, with hardly a hill worth mentioning.
(https://randonneurs.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/BRM_2100_696_Hanze_overzicht_2023-09-27.png)
Disclaimer : The indicated route on the map is the preliminary route, after route checking, some small or maybe even larger changes could be made.
For the ease of the riders, there'll be a staffed control at the crossroads of the 3 routes, in or near Braunschweig. Including sleeping options and a drop bag service. The route from the start to the staffed control will be the same for all the riders. After the staffed control, the 2100km riders will do a loop of 900km, netting an extra 120 hours for these 900km. The return 600k will be mainly flat, straight through the Northern German Lowlands, so upgrading to 2100km is certainly worth considering.
We'll welcome the fans of historic adventures early september, in Deventer!
In the following months, we'll add more details of this event on these pages.
Event website: https://randonneurs.nl/hanze-6-9-6/
Start : Saturday, September 7th 2024 @ 09:00
Location : Deventer
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Cor, that's quite tempting, Ivo.
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Yes I'm up for it..
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The 2100 is my target for next year.
Team VC167 ferry?
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I want to ride. Just need to work my annual leave out as I'm doing LEJoG as well.
My thoughts are to sail from Harwich Thursday night, gentle ride on Friday with a train alternative. Aim to finish in 7 days but provide some slippage. I would either book a boat Sunday night back and see if I can get to my home desk by 9 or just book Monday off instead and catch the boat just after lunch.
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I want to ride. Just need to work my annual leave out as I'm doing LEJoG as well.
My thoughts are to sail from Harwich Thursday night, gentle ride on Friday with a train alternative. Aim to finish in 7 days but provide some slippage. I would either book a boat Sunday night back and see if I can get to my home desk by 9 or just book Monday off instead and catch the boat just after lunch.
Your return time will be highly influenced by the wind conditions in the final days (flat return route). I'd personally suggest to book the monday off to prevent falling asleep on your keyboard ;)
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Work is when/where you recover from your bicycle rides ;D
Am I mad to even consider the ACME Grand the week after finishing 6-9-6?
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Am I mad to even consider the ACME Grand the week after finishing 6-9-6?
I'd missed that and it's organised by my own club. It starts 20k from here but I think it will be a bit beyond me.
The route is pretty benign, though.
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The 2100 is my target for next year.
Team VC167 ferry?
Club road trip!
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This does look tempting, if I can swing it at home. Maybe the shorter option might work, as I'm organising an event on the 15th.
How does entry work, is it just rock up at the start? I'm sure it has been asked before and apols if I've missed it, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
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There will be a registration form on the randonneurs.nl website, and you'll be able to pay with Paypal.
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This does look tempting, if I can swing it at home. Maybe the shorter option might work, as I'm organising an event on the 15th.
How does entry work, is it just rock up at the start? I'm sure it has been asked before and apols if I've missed it, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
The entry form will be added at a later stage. We use Mollie for payment, so usual options like creditcard and PayPal will work.
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Thanks both
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Some interesting places, and (hopefully) an easy beginner's 2000k event! ;-)
Goes on my list (currently pencilled in with the French 1200 in July). :thumbsup:
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Oooooh.
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Booked my ferries both ways using the Stena New Year discount. I’m not sailing back until Monday afternoon but I have a target to finish in 7 days to give a relaxing couple of days return ride. I have a bit of work to do fitness wise.
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Can you clarify average speeds. Will this be as per typical Dutch approach of not worrying about intermediate controls times as long as you get to the finish in time ? Or at the very least, will the timing assume the same average speed throughout, or will it be like PBP which gives you 40 hours for the first 600, 50 hours for the next 600, then extrapolating out, 120 for the last 900...
J
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The 2100km version would allow a min overall of 10km / hour aka 240km a day under LRM rules. Depends what the organisers have opted for.
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Will this be as per typical Dutch approach of not worrying about intermediate controls times as long as you get to the finish in time ?
I'm pretty sure that this will be the typical relaxed approach, but if you're doing the 2100km version and you're riding on the limit then I wouldn't count on being able to access your drop bag on the way back to Deventer.
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From updated page...
- Maximum number participants: 100
- Pre-registration starts 1st of February for members of Randonneurs NL Pre-registration others starts 5th of February 2024; participants 100 and max 100 waiting list
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To put those numbers in perspective: PBP 2023 had 51 members of Randonneurs Netherlands at start (and a total of 84 Dutch participants). The numbers for any other event will be a lot lower.
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Hope so. I've already booked the time off and the ferries.
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The full text of the update:
Status Update January 2024
The track is under construction. Various adjustments due to information from the field must be processed. When there is a concept route that will be used for the route-check, we will publish it as a map with elevation profile on the website, as is done with all Randonneurs NL brevets.
We are negotiating with a beautiful location just west of Braunschweig as a support location.
Some key figures
Maximum number participants: 100
Pré-registration starts 1st of February for members of Randonneurs NL
Pré-registration others starts 5th of February 2024
participants 100 and max 100 waiting list
Final registration from 1st of May 2024
Tracker during the event
Drop Bag service Deventer – Support location - Deventer
Included: Meal at the start – Meal at the support location
Special Hanze 6-9-6 cycling shirt included
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Will this be as per typical Dutch approach of not worrying about intermediate controls times as long as you get to the finish in time ?
I'm pretty sure that this will be the typical relaxed approach, but if you're doing the 2100km version and you're riding on the limit then I wouldn't count on being able to access your drop bag on the way back to Deventer.
We're still negotiating with the location but as they go now, there'll still be a considerable level of service for the riders riding passing the intermediate control on the way back from the 2100.
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Ivo, what please is the registration process ? Do we just send an email or will a form appear on the website?
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Ivo, what please is the registration process ? Do we just send an email or will a form appear on the website?
Pre-registration is via the website. Randonneurs NL members will receive a special link by email for the member's registration today. On the 5th, the registration page will appear for everyone.
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Ivo, Understood, Thank you
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I seem to have registered.
You will need your clubs ACP code when filling the form in.
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Me as well,
It was not open at 00:30 , I forgot to look again at 04:40
I'm probably now entry no. 101 :-(
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Me as well,
It was not open at 00:30 , I forgot to look again at 04:40
I'm probably now entry no. 101 :-(
Sorry, but I have to update the website manually (which I typically do at breakfast, 7am UK time). You are safely inside the first 100 (assuming you're the Aidan riding an upright trike).
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Me three.
It's a big ask from my current state of 'fitness' but hey, there's a few months to sort that shizzle out.
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We have also registered, we'll be on the Tandem.
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We have also registered, we'll be on the Tandem.
Although not sure on the ACP number, as there was only a set choice, so chose the 'individual' option.
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Me three.
It's a big ask from my current state of 'fitness' but hey, there's a few months to sort that shizzle out.
This is the benefit of having a target event in September.
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We have also registered, we'll be on the Tandem.
Although not sure on the ACP number, as there was only a set choice, so chose the 'individual' option.
The last option, "Anders nl.", translates as "Other namely". That option would've lead you to a section where you could enter the name and ACP code of your club. But you'll have plenty of time to correct this mistake when we move from preregistration to registration.
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We have also registered, we'll be on the Tandem.
Although not sure on the ACP number, as there was only a set choice, so chose the 'individual' option.
The last option, "Anders nl.", translates as "Other namely". That option would've lead you to a section where you could enter the name and ACP code of your club. But you'll have plenty of time to correct this mistake when we move from preregistration to registration.
Ah okay, thanks.
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We have also registered, we'll be on the Tandem.
Do you mind wielzuigers, wieleters? :)
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Did anyone register on a Desktop PC?
And if so, does that avoid having to scroll month by month to your Date of Birth?? :demon: :facepalm: >:(#*+¥©*
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Did anyone register on a Desktop PC?
And if so, does that avoid having to scroll month by month to your Date of Birth?? :demon: :facepalm: >:(#*+¥©*
I used my phone but I was still in bed as it’s a WFH day. I don’t recall scrolling for dates.
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Did anyone register on a Desktop PC?
And if so, does that avoid having to scroll month by month to your Date of Birth?? :demon: :facepalm: >:(#*+¥©*
I used my phone but I was still in bed as it’s a WFH day. I don’t recall scrolling for dates.
Cheers
I think I have registered (with a blank DofB, chiz).
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the pre-registration is continuing at a healthy rate, if you want to be sure of your spot on the starting grid, you have to act fast and fill in the pre-registration form on https://www.randonneurs.nl/hanze-6-9-6/
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Last week I checked the route of the 900km loop (only in the 2100km version), you can see the photos of the recce on: https://eu.zonerama.com/ivomiesen/87769
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I seem to have registered.
You will need your clubs ACP code when filling the form in.
I am having trouble finding a listing of AUK clubs and their corresponding ACP numbers. I thought I had seen this list previously, probably on the old AUK website but it escapes me now. I can't even find ACP's list of clubs recognised by them and their numbers.
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they're in appendix 7 (right at the end) of the ACP - AUK partnership agreement (https://www.audax.uk/media/1804/acp_convention_de_partenariat_uk_2015_anglais.pdf)
Interestingly, two of the top-5 clubs (https://www.audax.uk/results/?clubId=Audax%20Club%20Mid-Essex&searchId=ClubRiders&seasonId=2023) are not listed or at least not easily recognisable (ACME and Four Corners)
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How do I modify the preregistration to insert the correct club number? The Google form doesn't seem to allow anything different to the small selection in the dropdown menu.
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they're in appendix 7 (right at the end) of the ACP - AUK partnership agreement (https://www.audax.uk/media/1804/acp_convention_de_partenariat_uk_2015_anglais.pdf)
Interestingly, two of the top-5 clubs (https://www.audax.uk/results/?clubId=Audax%20Club%20Mid-Essex&searchId=ClubRiders&seasonId=2023) are not listed or at least not easily recognisable (ACME and Four Corners)
Thank you
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they're in appendix 7 (right at the end) of the ACP - AUK partnership agreement (https://www.audax.uk/media/1804/acp_convention_de_partenariat_uk_2015_anglais.pdf)
Interestingly, two of the top-5 clubs (https://www.audax.uk/results/?clubId=Audax%20Club%20Mid-Essex&searchId=ClubRiders&seasonId=2023) are not listed or at least not easily recognisable (ACME and Four Corners)
Probably because that agreement is dated 2015! I can supply ACP numbers to anyone needing them, also we should consider adding an up to date list to our website I guess. I will put it in the pending action pile!
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How do I modify the preregistration to insert the correct club number? The Google form doesn't seem to allow anything different to the small selection in the dropdown menu.
Please drop us an email, organisation committee members have access to the master sheet.
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the pre-registration is continuing at a healthy rate, if you want to be sure of your spot on the starting grid, you have to act fast and fill in the pre-registration form on https://www.randonneurs.nl/hanze-6-9-6/
Apparently registering 6h before this message wasn't fast enough - Waiting List limbo for me!!!
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As the thread about steady Vs flashing lights on AUK rides made me think of it.
Don't forget that for riding in Germany, flashing lights are not allowed.
You may also want to think about stvzo compliance wrt your lighting setup.
Also bear in mind the requirements for reflectors in Germany.
Doubt RNL are policing this. But it's not an argument you want to have with German police in the middle of the night.
Plenty of time to play with and test your lighting setup.
J
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Don't forget that for riding in Germany, flashing lights are not allowed.
You may also want to think about stvzo compliance wrt your lighting setup.
Also bear in mind the requirements for reflectors in Germany.
Doubt RNL are policing this. But it's not an argument you want to have with German police in the middle of the night.
Plenty of time to play with and test your lighting setup.
:thumbsup: Looking forward to night riding where I do not have to avoid being blinded by flashit lazers of deth and/or my shadow dancing in front of me with a contrast ratio of 10,000:1 from following riders with their 1000 Lumen Chinesium suns.
I presume that RNL will publish something along the line of 'riders must comply with road regulations including stvzo lighting standards', I would like it to be made clear as I certainly will complain, firstly to the rider if the above occurs.
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A couple of years ago a motion was proposed from the floor at a RNL AGM proposing a ban of flashing taillights during RNL brevets. This motion was adopted unanimously.
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:thumbsup:
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Ivo, please may I ask for some additional information my bank requires to pay my registration: Business Name, Business Address, Bank Name Bank Address. TIA Aidan
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Information about the bank:
ING Bank N.V.
Foreign Operations
PO Box 1800
1000 BV Amsterdam
BIC: INGBNL2A
The account name is "Randonneurs Nederland".
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Thank you!
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You may find using wise (formally transfer wise) a lot more cost effective.
Let me know if you'd like an invite.
J
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We have been using Wise for several years and have no complaints.
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Information about the bank:
ING Bank N.V.
Foreign Operations
PO Box 1800
1000 BV Amsterdam
BIC: INGBNL2A
The account name is "Randonneurs Nederland".
Zed43 is an even better source of info for this question.