Yet Another Cycling Forum

General Category => Freewheeling => Topic started by: andyoxon on 15 October, 2018, 04:21:36 pm

Title: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: andyoxon on 15 October, 2018, 04:21:36 pm
So in actual fact, do cyclists seen 'transgressing' or doing something contrary to the HwyC/ the law, tend to give ALL cyclists a bad name?  This assertion is commonly made with regard to cyclists, even by cyclists themselves, but doesn't appear to 'apply' to motorists at all, who seem to side step the whole globally adhesive thing.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: Kim on 15 October, 2018, 04:25:29 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_attribution_error

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

Solution:  Make cycle use as normal and ordinary as car use (this probably requires infrastructure).  Then it'll be the speeding e-bike users or the scofflaw moped users or something that'll be the new outgroup.
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: Peter on 15 October, 2018, 04:36:30 pm
I suspect infrastructure would be so attractive ot e-bike users that "real" cyclists will be quickly outnumbered, allowing us to remain in our number one spot of brush-tarring.
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: JennyB on 15 October, 2018, 04:50:47 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_attribution_error

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

Solution:  Make cycle use as normal and ordinary as car use (this probably requires infrastructure).  Then it'll be the speeding e-bike users or the scofflaw moped users or something that'll be the new outgroup.

They already are the outgroup on cyclepaths in Holland
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: andyoxon on 16 October, 2018, 10:36:11 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_attribution_error

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

Solution:  Make cycle use as normal and ordinary as car use (this probably requires infrastructure).  Then it'll be the speeding e-bike users or the scofflaw moped users or something that'll be the new outgroup.

Couldn't find much in the way of cycling specific articles.  I guess that 'normality' is but a dream in the UK, and the with the strongly reinforcing negative effect of driver impatience = no hope?    There must be some way to use the fact that cyclists make better drivers.    ;)
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: Gattopardo on 16 October, 2018, 12:06:13 pm
Well getting on a bike, makes you a non person.  From a motorists point of view.
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: andyoxon on 16 October, 2018, 04:09:45 pm
Well getting on a bike, makes you a non person.  From a motorists point of view.

Not when I'm driving...   ;)
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: thing1 on 16 October, 2018, 04:38:47 pm
I guess that 'normality' is but a dream in the UK, and the with the strongly reinforcing negative effect of driver impatience = no hope?    There must be some way to use the fact that cyclists make better drivers.    ;)

It's probably hard to spot when you're up against it day in, day out, but I honestly thin it is improving. We spent 6 years living in USA and on moving back to UK this year we were struck by how much more normalized cycling had become here while we were away.


Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: hatler on 16 October, 2018, 08:42:44 pm
I guess that 'normality' is but a dream in the UK, and the with the strongly reinforcing negative effect of driver impatience = no hope?    There must be some way to use the fact that cyclists make better drivers.    ;)

It's probably hard to spot when you're up against it day in, day out, but I honestly thin it is improving. We spent 6 years living in USA and on moving back to UK this year we were struck by how much more normalized cycling had become here while we were away.

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Bloody hell, you were away for six years !?!!?!!???. Good grief that went quickly.
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ETA  Long enough to brain wash you with how to spell 'normalised'.
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: sojournermike on 16 October, 2018, 09:58:28 pm
Well getting on a bike, makes you a non person.  From a motorists point of view.

Not when I'm driving...   ;)

+1
Title: Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
Post by: fd3 on 19 October, 2018, 09:34:27 pm
I agree it's getting better.  15 years ago getting on a bike in Brum was a combat sport, now wvm lets me out 50% of the time.