(https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/headdesk.gif)This.
The problem is fundamentally the same in both cases: telling women what to wear.Though you could extend this to "telling people what to wear". For example, the Beach handball has it's roots on the beach - hence the requirement to wear swimwear. If teh rulez required men to wear tiny speedos would the bikini bottom requirement be more acceptable or would it still be wrong? Then take this same ruling and apply it to swimming pools in France (where men are not allowed to wear shorts in pools and women have similar dress code enforced).
What is the point of a dress code in any walk of life?
But what are we meant to see here?
Football does enforce having your socks pulled up now though. ;)
That's after the game. During it, if you roll your socks down, the ref is supposed to get you to roll them up.Football does enforce having your socks pulled up now though. ;)
Jack Grealish never got the memo!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6GsOK4WQAgzBY5?format=jpg&name=small)
That's after the game. During it, if you roll your socks down, the ref is supposed to get you to roll them up.
My father is a long time golfist snd he is of the opinion that not dressing properly is the route of all leftism. I won’t play golf in part because their dress code is indicative of the general attitudes I’ve met in other golfists.What is the point of a dress code in any walk of life?
Quite.
I'm not quite sure what we're meant to see in the crowd for the handball match though. I see shorts, but they're not on players, I see beer bellies on display (which might be a whole separate topic), I also see at least one player or official kneeling but I think that's to do with the game rather than taking the knee? Not that I know much about handball, so maybe it isn't. But what are we meant to see here?
He's not wearing shinpads either. I guess the 4th official wasn't bothered enforcing the laws.That's after the game. During it, if you roll your socks down, the ref is supposed to get you to roll them up.Ok, during a game:
But just look at those calves!He's not wearing shinpads either. I guess the 4th official wasn't bothered enforcing the laws.That's after the game. During it, if you roll your socks down, the ref is supposed to get you to roll them up.Ok, during a game:
Said to be also behind the popularity of women's football in the early 20th century, though what they wore wouldn't be considered revealing nowadays.I'm not quite sure what we're meant to see in the crowd for the handball match though. I see shorts, but they're not on players, I see beer bellies on display (which might be a whole separate topic), I also see at least one player or official kneeling but I think that's to do with the game rather than taking the knee? Not that I know much about handball, so maybe it isn't. But what are we meant to see here?
The point being, I imagine, that the audience comprises a bunch of beer-bellied white men standing up to get a better look at hot girls in bikinis getting sweaty.
This is all about keeping the numbers up for the sponsors in a sport that doesn't attract much of an audience. The fear being thatpeoplemen will stop watching if the female athletes cover up anything other than the bare minimum of skin.
Here's a shot of the men's and women's teams in their official sanctioned uniforms. Spot the difference.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6mxyqBXEAYfSni?format=jpg&name=large)
Make the men wear budgie smugglers, I say. In the hellhole that is twitter, someone made that suggestion, only for a bunch of responses to fly back talking about how they didn't want to see some dude's package, that's gay. ::-)
Sam
My father is a long time golfist snd he is of the opinion that not dressing properly is the route of all leftism. I won’t play golf in part because their dress code is indicative of the general attitudes I’ve met in other golfists.
Actually, maybe rocking up in a bikini would be frowned upon....
Though you could extend this to "telling people what to wear".
Here's a shot of the men's and women's teams in their official sanctioned uniforms. Spot the difference.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6mxyqBXEAYfSni?format=jpg&name=large)
Make the men wear budgie smugglers, I say. In the hellhole that is twitter, someone made that suggestion, only for a bunch of responses to fly back talking about how they didn't want to see some dude's package, that's gay. ::-)
Remember, every woman responding tothisany thread on this forum is cycling not because of the environment the cycling community and sport has created, but in spite of it.
Ravenbait, Quixoticgeek and Beardy are echoing my thoughts - not that I think all other posts are wrong but they (R, Q and B) are where I am coming from. I think Olivia Breen has a right to wear what she does but the picture she shows on the BBC news page is not the one that is presumably what gave rise to the official's comment, ill-advised though that may (or beer-belly-wise) may not have been. Have a look at the slew of you tube videos of female athletes leaving the long-jump pit from non-descript athletic meetings to see where the beer-bellies are coming from. Yes, I have seen some of them - but I've always kept my shirt on.
@ cudzoThanks, clear.
The reference to "taking the knee" was just short-hand for people standing up (or kneeling down) for what they perceive to be their "rights". In this case, it seemed to me that they were two different things - therefore two different knees. Sorry for the confusion.
Peter reports via PM that for some inexplicable reason his (work) laptop won't let him access the link to the Wikinaccurate link about Leet coz it thinks it's pr0n, nor will it let him reply to the thread anymore. It's not him being standoffish.
Peter reports via PM that for some inexplicable reason his (work) laptop won't let him access the link to the Wikinaccurate link about Leet coz it thinks it's pr0n, nor will it let him reply to the thread anymore. It's not him being standoffish.
Oh I do love an overzealous work content filter. Can he access the first page of the thread?
...I know it's internalised fat shaming to say that noone wants to see my 100kg of fat dyke wallowing around in the sand.
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...I know it's internalised fat shaming to say that noone wants to see my 100kg of fat dyke wallowing around in the sand.
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Actually, I would. It sends a powerful message which says it's OK for women not to be of the standard colour-supplement-approved shape which it seems they are "meant to aspire to" and they can be free to be whoever they want to be, and are not banned from certain activities because of their body shape.
Apparently I used a dirty word.Peter reports via PM that for some inexplicable reason his (work) laptop won't let him access the link to the Wikinaccurate link about Leet coz it thinks it's pr0n, nor will it let him reply to the thread anymore. It's not him being standoffish.
Oh I do love an overzealous work content filter. Can he access the first page of the thread?
Seems he can read it OK but not reply to it, since he's referred to a couple of my posts and one of Cudzo's before the Thought Police got him.
I've never understood the beach volleyball rules on female dress. I had no idea that handball had the same rules (admission: I'm not exactly sure what handball is!).ISTR handball was invented by the Danish national football coach in the 1930s as an exercise to get his squad to think tactically. Somehow it grew from there to become a sport in its own right. It's quite popular (to the extent that it's played in schools, for instance) in some parts of Eastern Europe as well as, presumably, Scandinavia. What I find odd though is the way that beach handball or beach volleyball is considered a separate game from handball or volleyball.
I think he has been in the habit of doing educational things with musical instruments, but I have to say, without casting any nasturtiums, that I thought he was old enough to know better.
No, Peter - your philosophy is somewhat different from mine. I'm at the stage that I don't want any more pupils and to earn money from them - I've was self-employed for over 20 years and as I wound down and did fewer and fewer hours, the annual tax return became a more significant chunk of my annual work and by far the biggest chunk of my annual stress. I don't need to earn money and commit myself to a work routine, so I've chosen not to.I think he has been in the habit of doing educational things with musical instruments, but I have to say, without casting any nasturtiums, that I thought he was old enough to know better.
Wow, (in both senses) I seem to have been let in again! Not quite sure what you mean by old enough to know better. If you mean old enough not to work, certainly (I officially retired - and not teacher's early retirement - years ago but I still teach guitar a day a week for the Local Council (whose laptop this is) because I enjoy it. I also do it to remember who I am as my hands deteriorate!
If you mean old enough to know not to post on here about certain subjects - well, yes, obviously - but I am taking the knee for the right to be misunderstood!
A selection of *I must stress this* half baked thoughts.
Outside of the sporting world there are jobs that require women to wear high heels and other objectifying clothing - I don't see this as significantly different.
With either job or sport, the uniform is not a surprise after purchase addition, you know what you are getting into...
In the case of Rugby, they gave up on tobacco sponsorship and lost their second tier to being semi-pro.
assuming that they will make a significant proportion of their income from ogling voyeurs
A selection of *I must stress this* half baked thoughts.
I suspect the reasons for that, and for the women's team fine, are that the rule-givers are a bit too pleased with their position of power, and they're probably a bunch of middle-aged white men who've never even played the game. As several sports have done in the past, it's probably time for the teams and the rulemakers to part company.
I agree with your "should", so how will reality move to this?
If someone is trying to run a women's sports team, assuming that they will make a significant proportion of their income from ogling voyeurs, you can only demand they stop if you either find an alternative funding stream or accept telling the women players that they are out of a job.
Turns out it is a bit older than that. It is Scandinavian in origin though, but Swedish not Danish.I've never understood the beach volleyball rules on female dress. I had no idea that handball had the same rules (admission: I'm not exactly sure what handball is!).ISTR handball was invented by the Danish national football coach in the 1930s as an exercise to get his squad to think tactically. Somehow it grew from there to become a sport in its own right. It's quite popular (to the extent that it's played in schools, for instance) in some parts of Eastern Europe as well as, presumably, Scandinavia. What I find odd though is the way that beach handball or beach volleyball is considered a separate game from handball or volleyball.
probably a bunch of middle-aged white men
Turns out it is a bit older than that. It is Scandinavian in origin though, but Swedish not Danish.
https://olympics.com/en/sports/handball/
That's field handball and indoor handball, not the beach variety (so there are three types altogether!) and the photos on that page do show women indoor handballists in shorts and t-shirts.
Might have been a coincidentally named game? Or perhaps an adaptation for kids.Turns out it is a bit older than that. It is Scandinavian in origin though, but Swedish not Danish.
https://olympics.com/en/sports/handball/
That's field handball and indoor handball, not the beach variety (so there are three types altogether!) and the photos on that page do show women indoor handballists in shorts and t-shirts.
We used to play a game we called hand ball in PE in primary school back in the 80's and early nineties. Tho the rules look a bit different, and rather than aiming for a goal, we had to pass to a couple of people standing on a bench. But it's kinda blurry, being nearly 30 years ago. Me and one other student had got the hang of the game, and in the end the teacher insisted we be on different teams, as our team always won otherwise (this is the main reason I remember it, it's one of the few semi positive experience of sports in school I have).
J
Call out behaviour when it's simply not on.I'd say IMO that's what Peter has done with this thread. Not that the administrators of the sport will know anything about it of course, but every drip wears away the stone. But you might well see it otherwise?
Turns out it is a bit older than that. It is Scandinavian in origin though, but Swedish not Danish.I've never understood the beach volleyball rules on female dress. I had no idea that handball had the same rules (admission: I'm not exactly sure what handball is!).ISTR handball was invented by the Danish national football coach in the 1930s as an exercise to get his squad to think tactically. Somehow it grew from there to become a sport in its own right. It's quite popular (to the extent that it's played in schools, for instance) in some parts of Eastern Europe as well as, presumably, Scandinavia. What I find odd though is the way that beach handball or beach volleyball is considered a separate game from handball or volleyball.
https://olympics.com/en/sports/handball/
That's field handball and indoor handball, not the beach variety (so there are three types altogether!) and the photos on that page do show women indoor handballists in shorts and t-shirts.
Call out behaviour when it's simply not on.I'd say IMO that's what Peter has done with this thread. Not that the administrators of the sport will know anything about it of course, but every drip wears away the stone. But you might well see it otherwise?
The thing is, a lot of men get away with being sexist shit bags, because other men around them who may inwardly think "I say old chap, that's not on", yet don't have the fucking balls to call them out for it.This is very true, painfully so. Did an anti bullying course and one of the things that stuck with me is that there is no such thing as a bystander, if you are a bystander you are giving tacit support to the bully. What’s the Latin saying that translates as “those who do not speak agree with me”?
This is so stupid that it never occurred to me.I suspect the reasons for that, and for the women's team fine, are that the rule-givers are a bit too pleased with their position of power, and they're probably a bunch of middle-aged white men who've never even played the game. As several sports have done in the past, it's probably time for the teams and the rulemakers to part company.
Bingo!
I’d be surprised if it’s anything to do with sponsorship or what the punters have demanded.
I'll bet "BUT THE SPONSORS" is the excuse they tell each other, thobut.
Sam
And while it’s not as popular as football sur le Continong there are still professional leagues. The Frankfurt newspaper favoured by Miss von Brandenburg's old man devoted almost as many column inches to handball as it did to footie.I thought it was very big in many countries in Europe. It was recently the number 4 sport in France.
And while it’s not as popular as football sur le Continong there are still professional leagues. The Frankfurt newspaper favoured by Miss von Brandenburg's old man devoted almost as many column inches to handball as it did to footie.I thought it was very big in many countries in Europe. It was recently the number 4 sport in France.
Where did you read that? I can't find it in the bbc article. But it does add an extra layer of absurdity and bureaucratic nitpicking to the whole situation.I'll bet "BUT THE SPONSORS" is the excuse they tell each other, thobut.
Sam
Yes, maybe. I didn't spend a long time looking, but it would appear that Beach Handball (a separate code from other forms of Handball) has few, if any, sponsors, and has little exposure (sorry!) beyond things like their European Championships - which, but for this row, we'd probably never have heard of. As the code is only 19 years old, it seems unlikely that the regulators were high-level practitioners of the sport and are more likely the aforementioned middle-aged white blokes who tend to be serial busybodies (I'll bet you have several on your local council/bowling club/other outlet for pomposity) and who, as mentioned, refused the men's game permission to wear skimpier clothing. In other words, they just like having rules to play with and people to put down. While they may indeed be voyeurs, I doubt the potential publicity consequences of insisting women in the game wear revealing clothing ever crossed their tiny minds.
Where did you read that? I can't find it in the bbc article. But it does add an extra layer of absurdity and bureaucratic nitpicking to the whole situation.
While we're on the subject is there a dress code in athletics? The few times I've watched the running male athletes seem to wear a full length singlet even though its only purpose is to provide something to pin the number to. Female athletes seem to wear a cut off top and run with a bare midriff Why?
Ta. Even more silliness.
It seems to basically be the "beach" sports that insist on skimpiness for skimpiness' sake. Which to my mind basically takes them away from proper sport, and more towards this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_Football_League :sick:
If you think about it, there's plenty of it about. Golf, tennis, bowling, and many others have 'dress codes', on and off the field of play, that at the least are silly, and sometimes discriminatory. Beardy mentions dress codes in work life, and I can vouch that in my time in the military it was sometimes impossible to be certain what it was you were supposed to wear! At least male and female uniforms were often equally uncomfortable and impractical. But (some) sport does seem to be a remaining bastion of ridiculousness.
I'm planning to go for a skinny dip with three friends about midnight tonight. I've no idea what to wear...
Dark Glasses: It's pretty much a full moon and I can imagine some shocking sights.
While we're on the subject is there a dress code in athletics? The few times I've watched the running male athletes seem to wear a full length singlet even though its only purpose is to provide something to pin the number to. Female athletes seem to wear a cut off top and run with a bare midriff Why?I have often thought the same thing. It's not as if the aforementioned (skimpy) kit is compulsory.
I'm planning to go for a skinny dip with three friends about midnight tonight. I've no idea what to wear...I like the idea of skinny dipping but unfortunately I just don’t have a thing to wear…
Dark Glasses: It's pretty much a full moon and I can imagine some shocking sights.
You are Zaphod Beeblebrox AICMFP. 8)
https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Joo_Janta_200_Super-Chromatic_Peril_Sensitive_Sunglasses
Strangely, even sports and activities that pride themselves on being a bit street, rebellious or underground and therefore having no rules, actually tend towards a dress code. I'm thinking skateboarding, BMX, parkour etc... People are easily identifiable as participants of any of those activities by what they wear. And indeed anyone rocking up to a jam not conforming to that dress code would probably be shunned for being a weirdo!
didn't want to see some dude's package, that's gay. ::-)
Or intimidating...Look it's cold....
Also what is the athlete revealing? Is it a surprise? Is it some hidden subliminal message?
Do the women who wear that sort of kit happy showing off their bodies?
It was Ravenbait, reporting on responses to a twitter post saying that if the women have to wear bikinis the men should have to wear budgie smugglers.
Last week, the double Paralympic world champion Olivia Breen shared a story of an incident at the English Athletics Championships. When she had just finished her long jump competition, a female official said “my sprint shorts were too short and inappropriate”, she wrote. “I was left speechless... they are specifically designed for competing in.” She has said she is planning to make an official complaint.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/24/time-to-give-those-in-charge-of-female-athletics-short-shrift
Seems the official who complained about Breen's bikini-style shorts was a woman.
Germany's gymnasts wore full-body suits in women's qualification at the Olympics as they continued their stand against the sexualisation of their sport.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57961055
Some of them wore similar outfits at the European Championships earlier this year, with Sarah Voss saying she and her team-mates wanted to make youngsters feel safe in the sport.
Voss joined Pauline Schaefer-Betz, Elisabeth Seitz and Kim Bui in donning the red and white outfits that extended to the ankles on Sunday.
The body suits defy convention, with most gymnasts opting for a leotard and those who cover their legs in international competition doing so for religious reasons.
Gymnasts' outfits take on sexualisation in sport
The German team had worn similar outfits during training last week, with three-time Olympian Seitz saying at the time that it was "about what feels comfortable".
"We wanted to show that every woman, everybody, should decide what to wear," she said.
Here's the relevant statement;-
"She said 'I think what you're wearing..."
blaming middle-aged white men for things is a bit of a default position in society, currently.
There’s obviously a need for the suits to be skin tight to avoid snagging, but it seems eminently reasonable to wear what you feel comfortable in. I hope it becomes a trend that catches on in other sports.
US pop star Pink has offered to pay the fines handed out to the Norwegian women's beach handball team, after they wore shorts like their male counterparts instead of bikini bottoms.
The team was fined 1,500 euros (£1,295) last week for "improper clothing" at the European Beach Handball Championships.
"I'm very proud of the Norwegian female beach handball team for protesting sexist rules about their uniform," tweeted the singer on Sunday.
"Good on ya, ladies," she added.
"I'll be happy to pay your fines for you. Keep it up."
it's not who the official is that matters, but what they said and who they said it to.In the case of an official, yes, but in some other circumstances I think a man telling a woman to cover up could come across as (or simply be) leering rather than disapproval. And in the handball case of course it wasn't either, it was just the official doing their job.
it's not who the official is that matters, but what they said and who they said it to.In the case of an official, yes, but in some other circumstances I think a man telling a woman to cover up could come across as (or simply be) leering rather than disapproval. And in the handball case of course it wasn't either, it was just the official doing their job.
it's not who the official is that matters, but what they said and who they said it to.In the case of an official, yes, but in some other circumstances I think a man telling a woman to cover up could come across as (or simply be) leering rather than disapproval. And in the handball case of course it wasn't either, it was just the official doing their job.
And don't forget internalised misogyny is a thing [...]
Following the revelation of the extent of systemic sexual abuse of female gymnasts by their coaches, doctors etc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Gymnastics_sex_abuse_scandal), young women involved in the sport have been doing some really impressive stuff to speak out against abuse, harassment, prejudice, sexualisation, racism and more. Much respect to them.
Also the dominant group sending in the token minority representative to be the messenger.
A much more worrying issue is that in many cultures men are indoctrinated with the idea that they are uncontrollable beasts who cannot be held,to account for their actions upon seeing too much female skin. Including our own culture. See victim blaming in court…it's not who the official is that matters, but what they said and who they said it to.In the case of an official, yes, but in some other circumstances I think a man telling a woman to cover up could come across as (or simply be) leering rather than disapproval. And in the handball case of course it wasn't either, it was just the official doing their job.
And don't forget internalised misogyny is a thing, and many women have been indoctrinated with the idea that men are uncontrollable beasts who cannot be held account for their actions upon seeing too much female skin, and it is somehow our fault for provoking them, and thus we are in the wrong if we wear clothes that are too revealing. It is still the fault of the patriarchy. Male bodies are generally sexualised in the underpants area. Women's bodies are sexualised from neck to knee.
Sam
Also, I'd say your opinion on the sexualised areas of the body is very conservative both for men and women! (Idle thought: I wonder if shows like Love Island etc contribute to an increasing sexualised view of, well, most things? Also, whereas Victorians had sexualised ankles because everything else was covered up, we've gone the other way and sexualised everything by exposing it.)
No, that's not what I meant at all. It's the expression of sexualisation that has gone from very limited and deliberate exposure (of pretty much any part other than face and hands) to an undirected (but still deliberate) exposure of almost everything. As in, the more you show, the "sexier" you are. At least in certain situations (which probably don't include sports).Also, I'd say your opinion on the sexualised areas of the body is very conservative both for men and women! (Idle thought: I wonder if shows like Love Island etc contribute to an increasing sexualised view of, well, most things? Also, whereas Victorians had sexualised ankles because everything else was covered up, we've gone the other way and sexualised everything by exposing it.)
Meh. I don't think exposure equates to sexualisation. If that were the case, human tribes where people wear very little clothing would have issues with entitlement. Breasts, for instance, are not seen as sexual in many tribes. They are for feeding babies. If anything, exposure in contexts that are non-sexual do the opposite.
We does love a bit of victim blaming,
I agree that you have some very conservative views of sexualisation RB; I remember a French equivalent to mad magazine doing a comparison of male and female sexy parts. There was one entry for men and for women it went on to fingernails, toes and internal organs.
As women now have the money, why do we not see more attempts at women selling stuff to women using the objectification of men?
Cars, watches, you name it. You, Man, deserve these things. You, Man, deserve the life that delivers these things. You deserve the luxury car and the elegant mansion and the beautiful woman who will look at you adoringly. Western culture inculcates men with this sense that they are the hero of their own life and the trappings of herodom belong to them by right.
This is from where MGTOW ultimately derive the enormous, misogynistic chip on their collective shoulder.Having devized various possibilities (Misogynist gammon threatening our world?), I looked it up. Turns out it even has a Wikipedia page:
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW /ˈmɪɡtaʊ/) is an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and from a society which they believe has been corrupted by feminism.[2] The community is a part of the manosphere, a collection of anti-feminist websites and online communities that also includes the men's rights movement, incels, and pickup artists.[3]"Manosphere?" :sick:
Like other manosphere communities, MGTOW overlaps with the alt-right and white supremacist movements,[4] and it has been implicated in online harassment of women.[5] The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes MGTOW as a part of the male supremacist ideology.[6]
Is that me? Blimey... Did I get the wrong memo?
Cars, watches, you name it. You, Man, deserve these things. You, Man, deserve the life that delivers these things. You deserve the luxury car and the elegant mansion and the beautiful woman who will look at you adoringly. Western culture inculcates men with this sense that they are the hero of their own life and the trappings of herodom belong to them by right.
Is that me? Blimey... Did I get the wrong memo?
Remember Tim, you're an awful person, and you can't help being an awful person, because Ravenbait says you are.
She can probably help you overcome your demons with a personalised series of coaching sessions for very reasonable prices :-\
Is that me? Blimey... Did I get the wrong memo?
Unless you have actively and deliberately set out to divest yourself of media programming -- and you might! Television is the worst purveyor such nonsense, and I understand many YACFers have long since removed television from their lives -- then you might be surprised.
This stuff is insidious. A good way to tell if you have escaped it is to ask yourself if your response to a women explaining how men have it better than they do is: "Not me." If your first instinct is to refocus the discussion on you, then I'm afraid yes, you got the memo. You just didn't know you were getting the memo.
Sam
Cars, watches, you name it. You, Man, deserve these things. You, Man, deserve the life that delivers these things. You deserve the luxury car and the elegant mansion and the beautiful woman who will look at you adoringly. Western culture inculcates men with this sense that they are the hero of their own life and the trappings of herodom belong to them by right.
Is that me? Blimey... Did I get the wrong memo?
Remember Tim, you're an awful person, and you can't help being an awful person, because Ravenbait says you are.
She can probably help you overcome your demons with a personalised series of coaching sessions for very reasonable prices :-\
I’ve fallen behind on this thread, so forgive me if I’m repeating anything.
In response to J’s comments about men wearing the same thing, where as women have to decide on what is appropriate and have they worn it before. I have, in the past, got quite annoyed at dress code rules because I’ve had to wear a dark grey suit with shirt and tie even on stupid hot days, when my female colleagues have been able to swan in wearing comfortable short skirts. That situation had changed a lot in IT by the time I left, and formal wear was only really required when visiting (new) customers ant techs could even then still get away with jeans and black T’s (regardless of gender). It certainly balanced the scales when in the base office as we all pretty much wore jeans/chinos and polo shirts/sweatshirts, although the ladies still had more flexibility in the hot weather if they chose.
The thing is, you could have worn the same dark grey suit every single day in that job
I was at an actual physical, in person, face to face meeting a couple of weeks ago and I noticed that one of the women present was wearing high heels. There was no dress code and it wasn't a formal occasion (I was in shorts, another woman was in a very faded sleeveless vest, etc). It did make me wonder what high heels are for. I mean, yeah, they're office uniform, which wasn't applicable here, but weren't they originally (probably over a hundred years ago) to make people look taller? This woman is tall anyway. Not just tall for a woman, tall for a human of any sort. Anyway, the meeting was relatively unproductive but she was one of the most contributory persons.
I was under the impression that the fashion for high heels amongst women persisted because it made their buttocks waggle.
J. that sounds terrifying - do you ever forget you've got them on when you dismount?
MrsC is currently taking part in a '100 day' challenge; wear the same dress for 100 days, documenting it with photographs.I’ve fallen behind on this thread, so forgive me if I’m repeating anything.
In response to J’s comments about men wearing the same thing, where as women have to decide on what is appropriate and have they worn it before. I have, in the past, got quite annoyed at dress code rules because I’ve had to wear a dark grey suit with shirt and tie even on stupid hot days, when my female colleagues have been able to swan in wearing comfortable short skirts. That situation had changed a lot in IT by the time I left, and formal wear was only really required when visiting (new) customers ant techs could even then still get away with jeans and black T’s (regardless of gender). It certainly balanced the scales when in the base office as we all pretty much wore jeans/chinos and polo shirts/sweatshirts, although the ladies still had more flexibility in the hot weather if they chose.
The thing is, you could have worn the same dark grey suit every single day in that job, and while it is uncomfortable in the heat, if your female colleagues had worn the same short skirt every day, people would comment. Not to mention no doubt if the skirt was too short someone would comment.
MrsC is currently taking part in a '100 day' challenge; wear the same dress for 100 days, documenting it with photographs.
Yes, it is marketing "buy our wool dress, it doesn't get smelly", you can wear it every day."
On the other hand, she reports it is enormously freeing. She doesn't wake up and wonder what to wear that day.
https://eu.wooland.com/
If you are sitting in the Underground and a well-dressed woman happens to walk along the car, watch the eyes of the other women. You will see that every one of them, with the possible exception of those who are even better dressed, will watch the woman with malevolent glances, and will be struggling to draw inferences derogatory to her.Russell, The Conquest of Happiness, as quoted by Stebbing in Thinking to some Purpose. And the purposes of his writing and her quoting are, of course, not really anything to do with clothes, or even women.
Nothing to do with sport but (at least superficially) to do with women and their clothes, here's something I read this morning:QuoteIf you are sitting in the Underground and a well-dressed woman happens to walk along the car, watch the eyes of the other women. You will see that every one of them, with the possible exception of those who are even better dressed, will watch the woman with malevolent glances, and will be struggling to draw inferences derogatory to her.Russell, The Conquest of Happiness, as quoted by Stebbing in Thinking to some Purpose. And the purposes of his writing and her quoting are, of course, not really anything to do with clothes, or even women.
I’m usually thinking either how uncomfortable the shoes look or how I’d cut a pattern for the outfit.
I’m usually thinking either how uncomfortable the shoes look or how I’d cut a pattern for the outfit.
Women’s sports associations across Europe have called for the resignation of the presidents of both the international and European handball federations, accusing them of “blatant sexism” for rules that require female players to wear bikini bottoms.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/handball-chiefs-urged-to-resign-bikini-bottoms-rule-ihf-ehf-sexism-norwegian-fined