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Title: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: red marley on 11 October, 2014, 07:33:24 am
Looks like we have our own Super Saturday on the 23rd May. The Bryan Chapman, the Brimstone, the Beast from the East and the Flatlands all setting off at 6am for 600km of fun. And a bank holiday Monday for recovery too. There's a choice of no hills, some hills, some more hills or some even more hills.

So who's doing which one?

I would have liked to have done three from that list, but have gone for Beast from the East as I can ride to the start from home, it only magically appears once every four years and is a cracking ride with great food* and TLC from the team.



*The huevos rancheros served at Middle Wallop in 2011 was one of my all time bestest meals evva, closely followed by at the all-you-can-eat puddin' buffet at the arrivee.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: marcusjb on 11 October, 2014, 07:54:59 am
Don't know yet.

I'd got the Flatlands on the radar if the tandem attempt is still going, but it's a bit too early for that.

I suspect I will be involved in the Beast From The East as it's a WCC ride (and I owe Assassin a big favour for his help on the ESCA 24 this year).

Brimstone is a very, very fine 600 and is the perfect end to a Wessex SR.  Partly because you're usually much fitter by the time 600s come around, I found it less challenging than the earlier rides in the Wessex SR. 

BCM - well, it's the BCM. 
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Cycling Daddy on 11 October, 2014, 08:05:40 am
I am walking doing the three peaks challenge that weekend. ???
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: vorsprung on 11 October, 2014, 08:42:31 am
Looks like we have our own Super Saturday on the 23rd May. The Bryan Chapman, the Brimstone, the Beast from the East and the Flatlands all setting off at 6am for 600km of fun. And a bank holiday Monday for recovery too. There's a choice of no hills, some hills, some more hills or some even more hills.

So who's doing which one?


The Brimstone is a Wessex SR thing - so that's a no
I assume the Flatlands goes around the hill less waste lands of Eastern England - probably not for me
The Beast from the East route has some good bits but it starts from Waltham Abbey and spends rather too much time in the SE

So it's the BCM
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: teethgrinder on 11 October, 2014, 08:51:06 am
When I read the thread title I thought you was thinking of joining all the rides up for a mega-perm. ;D

Beast from the East would probably be my choice, just because it's only on every PBP year.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Henry on 11 October, 2014, 12:10:02 pm
Monsieur with these choice of rides you're really spoiling us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P-nZZkQqTc

BCM for me, as I need to minimise time away from home with the SR rides this season, and can ride to and from the start.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Frank9755 on 11 October, 2014, 12:50:26 pm
I'm touring in France that weekend so will miss the lot.  It's a bit of a shame that they are not a bit more spread out - but there are other weekends I can make.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Tomsk on 11 October, 2014, 02:16:43 pm
When I pencilled the Flatlands in the planner, I was puzzled as to why other organisers were choosing other dates: with the Bank Hol Monday to recover, its the prime slot for a 600.....so some re-jigging has gone on since then!

I was going to schedule mine as a last-chance ride, but ACP changed the qualifying period and the last weekend for qualifying in June clashed with other stuff.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Veloman on 11 October, 2014, 06:52:16 pm
Well, there is a 600 available over 5 weekends commencing 23 May giving a total of 16 to choose from.

As it is a holiday weekend, I'm tempted to see what is available overseas.  Plenty in the UK after 23 May.

(Although 13 June looks like one to miss!)
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: rob on 11 October, 2014, 08:52:13 pm
Flatlands. Starts an hour from home and can kip at my Mum's place at 2/3rds. Bank Holiday Monday means I don't use any annual leave and qualifying is out the way meaning I can switch to riding TTs for June and July.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Ray 6701 on 11 October, 2014, 09:07:09 pm
Quite fancy the beast (usual travel logistics permitting)
It's a new area to me & if it's only run every 4 years I better have a go at it while I can.

The start is 14 miles from London euston so I'm in  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: LMT on 11 October, 2014, 09:36:29 pm
Having already done it this year it will be the Flatlands again. Easy to get to and the ride is superb on good roads with good commercial controls.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: CrazyEnglishTriathlete on 11 October, 2014, 10:14:42 pm
none of the above.  Feel like its time I visited Kernow again.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Pete Mas on 12 October, 2014, 12:38:59 am
Whilst I have ridden both the BC and Brimstone several times each, including finishing the latter with about 5 mins to spare in bad weather this year, the Beast from the East is a ride I've unfinished business with - in 2007 my first SR year I was out of time after about 500k.

So I think I will choose the Beast. Maybe 2016  for the Flatlands?
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Hummers on 12 October, 2014, 05:04:30 pm
That weekend is no 1 son's stag weekend.

As a result, I have to opt for the K&SW.

H
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Ian H on 12 October, 2014, 05:31:46 pm
That weekend is no 1 son's stag weekend.

As a result, I have to opt for the K&SW.

H

Oh dear. Better buy in the disposable bed linen, then.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Lars on 12 October, 2014, 05:36:15 pm
Heartbreakingly unfortunate clash. Have done Flatlands and BCM twice, and Brimstone once. And would like to do the Willesden SR since their rides tend to be very good, and haven't done the 400 or the 600.

BCM, while a great event, is out due to the postal entry, being rather far away and likely to be oversubscribed from an army of SW locals going for it. Have already entered the Flatlands and the other Essex rides since they are local, enjoyable, and I want to support them.

Would ideally like to be able to do Flatlands as a helper's ride, route checking. If that would be feasible leaves Beast vs Brimstone. Very hard choice. Doing the perm version of Brimstone (Hellfire) could be a good July adventure to keep going as an intermediate goal after the qualifiers. Strange having to face this decision when the calendar tends to not have a lot of tough clashes most of the year.  >:(
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: SR Steve on 12 October, 2014, 09:05:45 pm
I might be away with the family that weekend and during the following week, but can't make any plans yet as it's too early for my wife to book her leave and she has to fit in with colleagues.

If I had to choose between them, it would be the BCM. I was hoping that it would be on 16/17 May.

I have entered the K&SW and Pendle later on in the season.

Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Euan Uzami on 13 October, 2014, 07:55:14 am
I think only the bcm is the only one that's not too hilly or not hilly enough for my liking, but with any luck I'll still be in Halifax and I'll just pop down the road for the 3 coasts...that and the northern one which looks great, that gives one qualifier and one backup
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Veloman on 13 October, 2014, 09:34:42 am
Would ideally like to be able to do Flatlands as a helper's ride, route checking. If that would be feasible leaves Beast vs Brimstone.

Are you able to effectively ride 2 events on the same day?

I realise you would not be actually riding 2 events on the same day, but it would mean homologation of 2 events that take place on the same weekend.  Never realised this was possible.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Tomsk on 13 October, 2014, 09:42:38 am
I'll be doing a Helper's Ride for my own event, probably the weekend before [16th/17th May]. I'd like to have done the BCM, so maybe the Buzzard in June, or else ride up to the York Rally that weekend [more or less the Flatlands route - again  :facepalm:] and maybe the Mersey 24 on 18th July. A good long perm somewhere further afield too; I've still got a yearning to go up to Edinburgh on the sleeper and do the Twilight 600: did the Daylight in 2007 - fantastic ride, apart from the midges.....
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Tomsk on 13 October, 2014, 09:43:39 am
Would ideally like to be able to do Flatlands as a helper's ride, route checking. If that would be feasible leaves Beast vs Brimstone.

Are you able to effectively ride 2 events on the same day?

I realise you would not be actually riding 2 events on the same day, but it would mean homologation of 2 events that take place on the same weekend.  Never realised this was possible.

Interesting....this would confuse ACP, instead of the other way round  :demon:
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Lars on 13 October, 2014, 09:52:07 am
Would ideally like to be able to do Flatlands as a helper's ride, route checking. If that would be feasible leaves Beast vs Brimstone.

Are you able to effectively ride 2 events on the same day?

I realise you would not be actually riding 2 events on the same day, but it would mean homologation of 2 events that take place on the same weekend.  Never realised this was possible.

Didn't think of that... Maybe not worth it trying for BRMs as the ACP might not approve of the concept of
helpers' rides and refuse to homologate the two rides... Don't think the AUK validation would be any
problems since it's easy to explain what's going on.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 13 October, 2014, 10:01:48 am
ACP approves of helpers' rides but might be a little less happy about being a helper on an event while riding another event.

The original intent was that a helper actually helped during the event, though AUK stretches things by counting a preride as help.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Veloman on 13 October, 2014, 10:48:36 am
Don't think the AUK validation would be any problems since it's easy to explain what's going on.

So am I correct in thinking that AUK have no problems with someone effectively claiming for 2 events on the same day/weekend?

ACP approves of helpers' rides but might be a little less happy about being a helper on an event while riding another event.

The original intent was that a helper actually helped during the event, though AUK stretches things by counting a preride as help.

That was my thoughts and I thought it would also apply to AUK.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Lars on 13 October, 2014, 11:16:05 am
Don't think the AUK validation would be any problems since it's easy to explain what's going on.

So am I correct in thinking that AUK have no problems with someone effectively claiming for 2 events on the same day/weekend?

ACP approves of helpers' rides but might be a little less happy about being a helper on an event while riding another event.

The original intent was that a helper actually helped during the event, though AUK stretches things by counting a preride as help.

That was my thoughts and I thought it would also apply to AUK.

Just had a quick look in the results from last year, eyeing through the list of rides for the first few riders with the most points,
and could quickly find one instance:

http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2014/listride/?Rider=8801

Look at 23 Aug.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: marcusjb on 13 October, 2014, 11:18:46 am
I've route-checked an event and ridden another on the day of the event (it was a pointless ride on the day of the event - I have route-checked the Anfractuous for Manotea, served tea and toast for the 200, then gone and ridden the 100km event before coming back to help serve more tea and toast for the 200 finishers). 

I think the Recorder can fiddle about with things behind the scenes for the actual date ridden.

However, doing the route check as a helpers ride with the specific intention of freeing up the event day to do another ride is maybe stretching things a little.  Though you could just do the other event and not hand in your brevet if you just want the miles in your legs.

I've route checked a few events where I haven't been helping on the day, but haven't then gone on to ride another event (with the exception of the above nipping out for a quick 100 whilst waiting for the 200 riders to return).
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: i cycle on 13 October, 2014, 12:23:31 pm
Don't think the AUK validation would be any problems since it's easy to explain what's going on.

So am I correct in thinking that AUK have no problems with someone effectively claiming for 2 events on the same day/weekend?

ACP approves of helpers' rides but might be a little less happy about being a helper on an event while riding another event.

The original intent was that a helper actually helped during the event, though AUK stretches things by counting a preride as help.

That was my thoughts and I thought it would also apply to AUK.

Just had a quick look in the results from last year, eyeing through the list of rides for the first few riders with the most points,
and could quickly find one instance:

http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2014/listride/?Rider=8801

Look at 23 Aug.

I think you will find Andy was the organiser for both events, so would have done a route check on both of them to get the points.
I suppose technically if you are the organiser of multiple distances events on the same day you could claim them all.
I could stand corrected on thinking Tomask has done this on his Filtchbikes event by claiming multiple distances as an organiser for the same day.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Phixie on 13 October, 2014, 12:35:15 pm
As mentioned above, the Recorder has powers not granted to us mere mortals and I recall it was agreed by the Committee some time ago that in such an instance, only the event with the greater number of points would count.  How this works in practice, I am not entirely sure, but it was formulated to stop helpers gaining a competitive advantage in the points table.  It will only ever affect a very few riders each season at most.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Veloman on 13 October, 2014, 12:40:43 pm
How this works in practice, I am not entirely sure, but it was formulated to stop helpers gaining a competitive advantage in the points table.  It will only ever affect a very few riders each season at most.

Precisely.  For example, ride a 600 as a helpers ride and then ride a 300 event on the weekend of the 600 event (with no helping at the 600 event).  Net result is 9 points for that weekend.  Sounds a bit daft and can give an advantage in points table if you are that way inclined.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: mattc on 13 October, 2014, 12:44:22 pm
Continued diversion into Helpers Rides rules:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: marcusjb on 13 October, 2014, 12:51:32 pm
Continued diversion into Helpers Rides rules:
(click to show/hide)

I absolutely agree with this - route checking is hard work (I've not yet route-checked a 6, but 2,3 and 4s and even those were well-established routes, so it's more about making notes on missing signs etc.).  But to volunteer to route check to enable the helper to ride another event seems to stretch the concept a little too far.  I know it only applies to points chasers, so can be ignored by the vast majority of riders - so, in that respect, it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Somnolent on 13 October, 2014, 12:56:56 pm
the Recorder has powers not granted to us mere mortals

 :o  ;D

AIUI the upshot of the previous ruling was (in Phixie's example) the rider would only get 6 points and not 9.   I can't say it's an argument that I've ever really bought into.  Anyone determined to get 9 points could register the helpers/routecheck ride as a perm or DIY and then ride a different on the calendar day.  In theory I suppose that could make a difference if the 50% rule came into play into deciding the points table leadership but frankly anyone who is that determined to 'win' needs a gentle reminder that audax is supposed to be non-competitive.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: red marley on 13 October, 2014, 01:05:57 pm
You know all those discussions about what the purpose of the official AUK forum was, and how it might differ from this one? Can I be so bold and suggest that the scintillating conversation about awarding points to helpers might be one that is better suited to that forum, so this thread can be used to generate a bit of excitement about 4 top class events next year?
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 13 October, 2014, 01:15:43 pm
Again, the original concept was that the helper/s were unable to ride the event because they were helping at controls during the event. This was figured to be unfair on the helper/s, particularly in small organisations where there might not be another 600 (or whatever) that year. The idea was to encourage more supported events, even amongst small organisations.

An organiser may check a route several times. does that mean that they get multiple validations of a single event under the helpers' ride rule? Don't be absurd.

Route checking an event so that you do another long event on the actual day should be called 'going for a ride'. It doesn't have to involve points but could be a DIY perm, if you are that way inclined.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Lars on 13 October, 2014, 01:24:46 pm
I certainly did not intend a manoeuvre to chase points - only hoped there could
be a way to do two clashing rides I'd like to do. And if needed would be happy to
contribute to an event by helping out with route checking.

Seems daft if the reason for not allowing someone to do a ride if he did a helpers'
one for a second one for the same day is only to hold back "points chasers". While
at the same AUK wants to see more validated long rides.  ???

But, fair enough if it's something AUK wants to preempt. I could just DNS Flatlands, buy
a card for the perm version and ride that on the same day as the helpers' ride would
have been. Would just cost a few extra quid and won't get an ACP validation sticker.
But would get more time to finish the ride.  ::-)
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Tomsk on 13 October, 2014, 01:54:25 pm
I'm not that bothered about the intricacies of the rules, I'm more a rule-of-thumb/common sense kind of guy [though some in AUK are legal-eagles and should be too, of course], but to me a route-check is always helpful; even on an established ride there are changes from year to year.

If you're allowed points for helper's [route-checking] rides and then ride another event on the day it might be bending the rules a bit....but ultimately its all about riding your bike....a very long way, whether for points or not.

Anyone who route-checks one of mine as a permanent/DIY instead can have their card paid for out of my Organiser's Treasure Chest and a beer or two at the finish too, as thanks for their valuable work.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Somnolent on 13 October, 2014, 02:02:11 pm
You know all those discussions about what the purpose of the official AUK forum was, and how it might differ from this one? Can I be so bold and suggest that the scintillating conversation about awarding points to helpers might be one that is better suited to that forum, so this thread can be used to generate a bit of excitement about 4 top class events next year?

Good point.
See http://www.audax.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=327.msg2384#msg2384 (http://www.audax.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=327.msg2384#msg2384)
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Bairdy on 13 October, 2014, 03:42:34 pm
It has to be the BCM for me out of those four.
It's the nearest to me, it was my first calendar 600, I've only ridden it once before.
I'll probably have a go at the Flatlands another time.

I was considering Kernow & SW but not sure I want to ride it as a PBP qualifier.
If I'm feeling up for it I might ride it in addition to the BCM, if there are any places left.
Don't want to commit to riding 600's on consecutive weekends until much nearer to the time.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: haffers on 13 October, 2014, 06:02:01 pm
With Windsor-Chester-Windsor the following weekend not sure about two 600's in such a short space of time but the Beast from the East is looking appealing.

It will be the cherry on the cake of the Willesden SR and as PBP is looking like a no-go, then may well have to go for it!
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Hummers on 13 October, 2014, 07:55:35 pm
You know all those discussions about what the purpose of the official AUK forum was, and how it might differ from this one? Can I be so bold and suggest that the scintillating conversation about awarding points to helpers might be one that is better suited to that forum, so this thread can be used to generate a bit of excitement about 4 top class events next year?

Damned right.

If people want to ask the Board questions about the rules and their interpretation, there is a place designed for that purpose over on the AUK Forum (http://www.audax.co.uk/forum/). I suggest that should you have a burning question that you want an answer to, you should go there.

H
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: rabbit on 14 October, 2014, 05:18:36 pm
Such a hard decision! 

I was going with the Brimstone, to be followed by K&S (already entered as have been planning on this since last year) the following weekend in the same vicinity and then some recovery before Blacksheeps 600 (also entered and have been planning to ride this this year). 

However, I have yet to print the entry for the Brimstone and am now pondering The Beast from the East instead of Brimstone - a bit flatter so not needing as much recovery for the K&S, somewhere different and I can enter by Paypal.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: teethgrinder on 14 October, 2014, 06:10:37 pm
and with the clash of events, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Brimstone group perm.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Veloman on 14 October, 2014, 06:40:37 pm
and with the clash of events, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Brimstone group perm.

Which is a great solution.

You only need one BRM for the BRM SR to satisfy ACP, so riding others as a Perm (non-BRM) is a fine idea.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Aunt Maud on 14 October, 2014, 07:23:26 pm
BCM √
Flatlands √
Brimstone group perm sounds good (October 2015)

Looks like I'm up for a Beasting.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Hummers on 14 October, 2014, 11:28:23 pm
A group perm for the Brimstone sounds a good idea as my son changed the date of his stag do means I can't make the Calendar ride now.

Just one thing, for those who haven't ridden it before, the Brimstone ridden as a Perm (AKA the Hellfire) is a different proposition to the calendar event. Shawn may have changed the Hellfire route to match the Brimstone (i.e. a notch up on the harder scale) but even if he hasn't, it is a still a tough ride without the stopover at Drew Buck's house on the night section. This means you have a section of 136km with nothing open at all and nowhere to kip.  :demon:

H

Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Jonah on 15 October, 2014, 05:32:25 am
I'd also be in for the Brimmers perm in order to ride BCM as well
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: swiss hat on 15 October, 2014, 12:50:12 pm
I'd also be in for the Brimmers perm in order to ride BCM as well

Or alternatively support the Brimstone calendar event with tlc at Tor Hole and take a trip to Wales in June on the Mr Pickwick 600 which looks like an interesting alternative to the BCM.

Difficult decision for me is between the Brimstone and WCC club event BftE. Wot to do? Maybe I'll say hello to the BftE riders as routes converge at Taunton.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: rabbit on 15 October, 2014, 01:09:12 pm
Thumbs up to Brimstone group perm  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Somnolent on 15 October, 2014, 05:59:16 pm
take a trip to Wales in June on the Mr Pickwick 600 which looks like an interesting significantly harder alternative to the BCM.

FTFY
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Pip on 16 October, 2014, 10:31:02 am
Would ideally like to be able to do Flatlands as a helper's ride, route checking. If that would be feasible leaves Beast vs Brimstone.

Are you able to effectively ride 2 events on the same day?

I realise you would not be actually riding 2 events on the same day, but it would mean homologation of 2 events that take place on the same weekend.  Never realised this was possible.

Funnily enough...

....some years ago, the BFTE was known under the benign title of The Waltham Wonder. The riders arrived in darkness at Taunton Deane services to find another group of riders controlling on the Brimstone.

Some chaos ensued as some Brimstone riders followed the twinkling red lights of Waltham Wander riders on exiting the services, and of course, vice versa. It is rumoured that some riders are still navigating the lanes around Stoke St. Mary
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: citoyen on 30 October, 2014, 01:00:51 pm
Whilst I have ridden both the BC and Brimstone several times each, including finishing the latter with about 5 mins to spare in bad weather this year, the Beast from the East is a ride I've unfinished business with - in 2007 my first SR year I was out of time after about 500k.

Tough call, isn't it. I have unfinished business with the Brimstone, and unstarted business with the BCM, but I love the BftE and it is only once every four years...

In any case, the WCW the following weekend will be a breeze in comparison.

Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Pete Mas on 31 October, 2014, 12:00:51 pm
Whilst I have ridden both the BC and Brimstone several times each, including finishing the latter with about 5 mins to spare in bad weather this year, the Beast from the East is a ride I've unfinished business with - in 2007 my first SR year I was out of time after about 500k.

Tough call, isn't it. I have unfinished business with the Brimstone, and unstarted business with the BCM, but I love the BftE and it is only once every four years...

In any case, the WCW the following weekend will be a breeze in comparison.

Toying with the idea of BftE and then WCW the following weekend. After that, PBP (weather permitting) should be a breeze.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: citoyen on 31 October, 2014, 01:07:22 pm
Toying with the idea of BftE and then WCW the following weekend.

That's my plan too.
Title: Re: Six Hundred Super Saturday (BCM/Brimstone/Beast ft East/Flatlands)
Post by: Redlight on 31 October, 2014, 01:09:40 pm
....some years ago, the BFTE was known under the benign title of The Waltham Wonder. The riders arrived in darkness at Taunton Deane services to find another group of riders controlling on the Brimstone.

Some chaos ensued as some Brimstone riders followed the twinkling red lights of Waltham Wander riders on exiting the services, and of course, vice versa. It is rumoured that some riders are still navigating the lanes around Stoke St. Mary

I remember that. The only reliable way to tell was that the guys on the Brimstone looked to be in an even worse state than those of us on the Wander!