Author Topic: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square  (Read 42305 times)

Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2018, 08:52:17 pm »
Do I just need the £10pa VeloViewer memership to get involved in this or do I need Strava Premium as well? Please and thank you.
Miles cycled 2014 = 3551.5 (Target 7300 :()
Miles cycled 2013 = 6141.4
Miles cycled 2012 = 4038.1

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2018, 08:57:55 pm »
The Strava route planner is awful.

It is? How so?

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2018, 09:09:07 pm »
You might be able to generate a kml grid matching the Veloviewer squares using this tool.

https://www.binaryearth.net/KMLMultitool/

You could then overlay in your favourite mapping software including those that show OS mapping.
Perhaps it was missed further up?  vv can already output a Kml of the squares not got yet. Here's an example in Basecamp.
Regards,

Joergen

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2018, 09:17:08 pm »
It works with the free Strava, Premium not requiered.
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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2018, 09:18:08 pm »
Super. Quite tempted to get involved then.  :thumbsup:
Miles cycled 2014 = 3551.5 (Target 7300 :()
Miles cycled 2013 = 6141.4
Miles cycled 2012 = 4038.1

Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2018, 09:20:28 pm »
If you have a large archive the 10,- is well spent, if you're completely new to Strava it's not needed.

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2018, 10:31:14 pm »

Been playing around with the planner, and have worked out that the max square I can get to before I have to get very creative with either substantial (2-3km) swims, is a 50x50. There is one square near here that I'm either gonna need a canoe, or a 1.5km swim, but it at least is officially listed as a swimming location, unlike the 3 tiles creating the 50 limit above, which are the main channel Separating Flevoland from the mainswamp^Wmainland. Would it be extravagant to get a sea kayak just to help collect tiles?

The downside of this is I'm gonna have to discard most of the square I have already built up. The Ijmeer gets in the way, sure it's only about 3x3 tiles, that are blocking things, but there's no way I can get there with a kayak, or swimming, it's too big a shipping area.

Apparently the record is 85x85 tiles.

Challenge accepted...

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2018, 11:19:07 pm »
I have saved the kml of uncompleted tiles from Veloviewer, converted it to a gpx using kml2gpx.com, sucked it into http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/ and set the map type to OS resulting in:


Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2018, 03:16:56 pm »
Bumped mine up to this today -

Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML


Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2018, 09:23:20 pm »
OK, this feels like a nice way to log rides. I’ve only put a handful of runs and rides on Strava as it wasn’t exciting me in its own right. So I’m more or less starting from scratch, 3*3 is my max square.


Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2018, 11:21:01 pm »
Bumped mine up to this today -

Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML



Damn, we should do a Squareswap.


Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2018, 11:22:14 pm »
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2018, 11:24:47 pm »
Bumped mine up to this today -

Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML



Dammn, we should do a Squareswap.



I can fully understand the lack of squares around Mackemland  ;D
Regards,

Joergen

Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2018, 11:30:33 pm »
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!

It's the best cycling in the country.

...Apart from East Durham.

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2018, 11:33:39 pm »
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!

It's the best cycling in the country.

...Apart from East Durham.

Regards,

Joergen

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #90 on: June 27, 2018, 10:19:06 am »
The Strava route planner is awful.

It is? How so?

J
It maybe isn't as bad for you in FORRIN, but for us in the UK

  • the mapping is shite when compared to Awesome Ordnance Survey
  • it prioritises routes by strava transit density
  • it doesn't distinguish much between different grades of ROW
  • it has a shoddy refresh rate
  • the export function is pants
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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2018, 10:26:30 am »
As far as planing goes, I'm using VeloViewer to see which squares I need > OS online to see if there's anything interesting in that square; a track, trail, anything > RideWithGPS to plot a ride (although I don't often do this, only when I'm going somewhere I don't know at all).

Then use the OS app on my phone when out and about to double check things or my Garmin 810 has squares on the map.

As an aside, I reckon my subscription to OS is the best £20 I spend every year.

fboab

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2018, 10:42:51 am »
^^ All of that.
TSS is not Total Sex Score, Chris!

quixoticgeek

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2018, 10:45:10 am »
It maybe isn't as bad for you in FORRIN, but for us in the UK

  • the mapping is shite when compared to Awesome Ordnance Survey
  • it prioritises routes by strava transit density
  • it doesn't distinguish much between different grades of ROW
  • it has a shoddy refresh rate
  • the export function is pants

Ah yes. The No mapping comes close to being as good as OS maps. There is no OS mapping available for the places I ride, so the lack of it for planning purposes is entirely not a blame of the strava route engine.

ROW's. How British... Yeah, it doesn't seem to know the difference between road types other than motorways. and everything else. But then this is inherent with all route planners. Google maps directions almost got me shot in London, cycle streets directions almost got me arrested in France, Strava resulted in me arriving at a security check point from the wrong side in .nl, and ride with GPS sent me over a stair case in Belgium...

They all have their flaws. But ultimately a lot of it comes down to how good the underlying Openstreet map data is.

J
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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #94 on: June 27, 2018, 01:51:34 pm »
Remember that the VV Explorer squares aren't the same as OS grid squares, they are the map tiles used when zoomed in to a particular level (level 10 I think) on OSM.

If you use the free version of VV then you are limited to your last 25 strava activities.

Anyway: 180km for a grand total of just two new squares last weekend - they are starting to get harder to pick off ::-)

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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #95 on: June 27, 2018, 02:33:58 pm »
I have to say that this topic, though very interesting in its own way, is really fouling up the GPS sub-board by remaining stuck at the top of the recent postings list.
Oh damn - there I've done it again ...
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Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #96 on: June 27, 2018, 03:05:23 pm »
That explorer helper app now works and is quite good, looking forward to using it in the wild!
Regards,

Joergen

Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #97 on: June 27, 2018, 03:47:19 pm »
I have to say that this topic, though very interesting in its own way, is really fouling up the GPS sub-board by remaining stuck at the top of the recent postings list.
Oh damn - there I've done it again ...

Fouling up?  On a board that gets one or two new posts a day otherwise? ::-)

Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #98 on: June 27, 2018, 04:22:01 pm »
Wouldn't a better place for this be in freewheeling?

Anyway, I've only recently seen this thread as I don't look on the GPS board much.  I've been square bagging for about a year or so.   Before square bagging, I was going out and filling in gaps in my heatmap, so when I started, I'd already got a healthy 17x17 max square.  Since then I've upped it to 29x29 and a max cluster of 1348 covering large chunks of Derbyshire & Peak District.  A rule I have for myself is that all counting rides start from home, no car or train journeys to get out to the edge of my cluster. 
Loving it, I've found some great lanes and areas that I probably wouldn't have visited otherwise.

Here are my squares... 
Eddington: 110 Miles

Re: VeloViewer Explorer Score and Max Square
« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2018, 04:25:07 pm »
Oh, & thanks for the heads up on the Explorer Helper app, looks great.  Up till now I've been exporting my squares kml to the maps.me app to refer to while out and about.

Eddington: 110 Miles