Author Topic: PBP 2019 ROUTE  (Read 13711 times)

simonp

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2019, 01:03:28 pm »

I added up the stage distances in a spreadsheet - comes to 1214.87km


LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2019, 01:07:33 pm »
When PBP was run mostly on major roads (until the '70s), the distance was a little less than 1200km. The 1200km nominal distance was the result of using increasingly smaller roads and a more convoluted route. The time limit used to be 96 hours too.
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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2019, 02:31:29 pm »
I got 1218km in my spreadsheet

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2019, 02:53:09 pm »
Yeah clearly something went wrong with the merge tools  :facepalm:
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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2019, 03:15:59 pm »
I'm unsure what the distance was in recent years, but the first site Google returned suggests 1241 km.

So we've 25 fewer km then.  Or about an hour's riding.  I'm quite thankful the time limits haven't been reduced accordingly though.  :)

simonp

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2019, 03:26:16 pm »
Yeah, about 1240km in previous editions.

1214 or whatever, it's long enough.

Just don't mention under distance qualifiers.

mattc

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2019, 06:59:16 pm »
So we've 25 fewer km then.  Or about an hour's riding.  I'm quite thankful the time limits haven't been reduced accordingly though.  :)
No wonder there's such a scramble to get on this New Easier PBP.

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2019, 07:08:17 pm »
It’ll be even more embarrassing when I finish (alright, pack) out of time.

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2019, 02:49:35 pm »
1230km in 2015. 

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2019, 07:52:52 am »
Is there a list of controls with intermediate/cumulative distances anywhere?  I don’t mind writing it down myself from the different gpx legs, but figured it’s probably something that already exists & i’m Just struggling to find it on the website! :)

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2019, 08:17:38 am »
The PBP 19 site (Home > The Ride > The route) has maps for each stage that shows controls, with corresponding links to GPX downloads at Openrunner.

https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/index2.php?lang=en&cat=randonnee&page=Etape1

Or, of course, the first post of this thread links to https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29026813.

No info on control timings that I can see, though.

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2019, 08:32:29 am »
Just wondered if it existed as a simple table:
Control 1, 50k, 50k
Control 2, 100k, 150k
Etc

For example that would let me understand what this really means:
“We are expecting early starters to ride at least to Carhaix for their first stop”

I’ll make one up looking at the gpx links,
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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2019, 08:41:15 am »
I found this for PBP 15, but it needs simple modifications for the 19 route: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DxiHQfQqvSyVIovnnTZu2F-hMHIfsMdfdCuDB4YuIuI/edit#gid=1448585562

SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2019, 08:44:33 am »
Just wondered if it existed as a simple table:
Control 1, 50k, 50k
Control 2, 100k, 150k
Etc

For example that would let me understand what this really means:
“We are expecting early starters to ride at least to Carhaix for their first stop”

Controlkmcumulative
Villaines-la-Juhel216216
Fougères89305
Tinténiac54359
Loudéac85444
Carhaix76520
Brest89610
Carhaix84693
Loudéac85778
Tinténiac87865
Fougères54919
Villaines-la-Juhel891008
Mortagne-au-Perche841092
Dreux sh771170
Rambouillet441214

E&OE

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2019, 08:53:50 am »
118 K Mortange -Food
217  Villaines-la-JUHEL - Control
306  Fougeres - Control
360  Tinteniac - Control
386  Quedillac - Accueil
445  Loudeac - Control
488  Saint-Nicholas-du-Pelem Accueil
521  Carhaix-Plouguer - Control
605  Brest
610  Lycee Kerichen - Control
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693  Carhaix-Plouguer - Control
735  Saint  Nicholas-du-Pelem food
779  Loudeac - Control
839  Quedilliac - Accueil
866  Tinteniac - Control
920  Fougeres - Control
1009 Villanes-la-Juhel  - Control
1093 Mortagne - Control
1171 Dreux - Control
1215 Rabouillet

Source - PBP official handbook

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2019, 08:55:15 am »
Well we call all agree about that then!, Though I did round down my figures by the odd 0.5 Km.
There  is  less time out and more  back. Someone  will be along soon to  remind us.
Then just  set  up a spread-sheet  to  suit your  start  time  and  calculate the time  splits

frankly frankie

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2019, 09:10:07 am »
For example that would let me understand what this really means:
“We are expecting early starters to ride at least to Carhaix for their first stop”

Hard to know without knowing what is meant by "early starters".  Anyway they're only trying to nudge - people will stop where they need to, regardless of what anyone says.
It's not dark yet but it's getting there.

mattc

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2019, 09:18:15 am »
Quote
To allow more riders to enter PBP'19, we modified the 80h starts. There will be only 5 starts instead of 7, from 04:00pm to 05:00pm.
The special bikes will start at 05:15pm instead of 05:45. By doing so, we will have to more starts for 90h and all start times will put backward by 30 minutes.
We are expecting early starters to ride at least to Carhaix for their first stop, if possible Best and then Fougeres or Villaine on the way back. Otherwise, Loudeac will be a mess despite the extra accommodations that we are implementing.

Hard to know without knowing what is meant by "early starters".  Anyway they're only trying to nudge - people will stop where they need to, regardless of what anyone says.
I interpreted the statement as:
Loudeac will be even worse than most years. Don't say we didn't warn you ...
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SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2019, 10:01:19 am »
I infer from their statement that they're expecting most people to ride through to late Monday night before sleeping, and that they expect most early starters to have made Carhaix by then. 

Not having done this before I'm guessing, but Loudeac at 445km seems it would appeal to many based on distance.  Plus I believe it's where the Americans have a bag drop.  I can see why they'd want to encourage people to go further if they can.


Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2019, 11:44:47 am »
118 K Mortange -Food
217  Villaines-la-JUHEL - Control
306  Fougeres - Control
360  Tinteniac - Control
386  Quedillac - Accueil
445  Loudeac - Control
488  Saint-Nicholas-du-Pelem Accueil
521  Carhaix-Plouguer - Control
605  Brest
610  Lycee Kerichen - Control
-----------------------------------
693  Carhaix-Plouguer - Control
735  Saint  Nicholas-du-Pelem food
779  Loudeac - Control
839  Quedilliac - Accueil
866  Tinteniac - Control
920  Fougeres - Control
1009 Villanes-la-Juhel  - Control
1093 Mortagne - Control
1171 Dreux - Control
1215 Rabouillet

Source - PBP official handbook

Thank you for this =) I see "Accueil" translates to "Home", but what does that mean?  Somewhere to sleep?
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2019, 11:58:49 am »
Rest stops but not standard controls.
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marcusjb

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2019, 12:04:24 pm »
^ as above.

You are not obliged to stop at them at all; but they are there to take some of the pressure off the controls and so on.

You will often find them much quieter - I slept in a near empty St Nicolas du Pelem in 2011.

Mortagne on the way out is generally chaos for the 90 hours (only group I've seen it in) (used to be 140km in - so maybe more people will bounce it this time and make use of cafe/bar options for a quick coffee).
Right! What's next?

Ooooh. That sounds like a daft idea.  I am in!

zigzag

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2019, 12:07:41 pm »
the list could be improved even more by including secret control places and distances ;)

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2019, 12:10:07 pm »
What happens at Brest? Nothing?

mattc

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2019, 12:10:47 pm »
What happens at Brest? Nothing?

You head East.
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