Author Topic: PBP 2019 ROUTE  (Read 13718 times)

simonp

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2019, 12:20:12 pm »
Brest is Lycee Kerichen.

marcusjb

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2019, 12:20:28 pm »
What happens at Brest? Nothing?

Usually you take some pictures at the bridge coming into town; do a frustrating little loop into town involving lots of traffic and/or sketchy railway lines in the docks.

Then you get the feck out of there and head for Sizun for the first party of the return journey.
Right! What's next?

Ooooh. That sounds like a daft idea.  I am in!

SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2019, 12:58:18 pm »
If (big if) I manage to make Brest without sleeping, I'll be sparko long before I think about heading back!

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2019, 01:21:24 pm »
Thanks SPB & Aidan - much appreciated.

Yeah, I'll stop wherever needed, as a slow rider starting near the front I'll slip back into the bulge anyway... it'll all work itself out I'm sure :)

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2019, 01:47:45 pm »
Made it to Carhaix last time before sleeping.   There's a chance I could have pushed on to Brest but stopping was the right decision.

I was in one of the first beds when I crashed out and it was carnage when I left.   A lot of the fast guys had slept at Brest and I arrived there to bodies crashed out everywhere.

I slept at Fougeres on the way back but hope to get a bit further back this time round.

If you're going to sleep and want a bed then stop early and leave early.

simonp

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2019, 01:51:47 pm »
C group, got to Brest around 1am. No real trouble getting a bed for a few hours. Same at Fougeres - no issue.

Only chaos I really saw was Carhaix on the return. I think this is where I met the 90h bulge.

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2019, 01:54:06 pm »
C group, got to Brest around 1am. No real trouble getting a bed for a few hours. Same at Fougeres - no issue.

Only chaos I really saw was Carhaix on the return. I think this is where I met the 90h bulge.

Rode with you briefly just before Quedillac on the way back.   I think you stopped for food, though.

SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2019, 02:12:44 pm »
C group, got to Brest around 1am. No real trouble getting a bed for a few hours. Same at Fougeres - no issue.

Only chaos I really saw was Carhaix on the return. I think this is where I met the 90h bulge.

Do you remember what time your C group left St Quentin that time?  Being trying to second-guess what the range of riding speeds might be within the vedettes. 

simonp

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2019, 02:25:44 pm »
C group, got to Brest around 1am. No real trouble getting a bed for a few hours. Same at Fougeres - no issue.

Only chaos I really saw was Carhaix on the return. I think this is where I met the 90h bulge.

Do you remember what time your C group left St Quentin that time?  Being trying to second-guess what the range of riding speeds might be within the vedettes.

Depart was 16:30. I was riding fixed. Stayed with my group for about 80km before being dropped - would have been easier with some gears.


SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2019, 02:35:38 pm »
Fixed!  Respect.

Thanks

simonp

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2019, 02:50:55 pm »
Fixed!  Respect.

Thanks

Rob was on fixed as well.

CrazyEnglishTriathlete

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2019, 03:11:58 pm »
I was in the B group Vedettes in 2011 and E group (deliberately) vedettes in 2015.  (Tourist in 2007).  The vedettes rode much better in groups, but the B group was too fast and twitchy for me, and I enjoyed the E group - more relaxed but lots of well disciplined riders sharing the pace - was like being on a magic carpet to Mortagne.  Each time I've been ahead of the bulge and been happy that I was because staff at the controls weren't frazzled, there was plenty of space to sleep, and I didn't have to go foraging around for uncertain service in cafes.  If I was riding this year I would have chosen to go in the last vedette group again.  First night stops were Carhaix (2007, 2am), Brest 2011 (9pm), Brest 2015 (10pm).  I found the 4.30 - 5pm starts in 2011 & 2015 much better than the 10pm start in 2007 as it brought Brest within my range.

Appreciate that's not so helpful for riders that aren't going to do 600km in 30 hours (which is easier to do on PBP than on most Audaxes because of the numbers of riders), but the lesson I learned in 2011 was.  I set a goal that was a bit hard for my expectations and didn't enjoy it, whereas in 2015 I stayed more in my comfort zone and went with the flow - and enjoyed it a lot more.
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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2019, 03:33:12 pm »
Thank you, CrazyEnglishTriathlete!

I plumped for the last vedette wave for exactly those reasons.  I suspect though I may fall off the back quite early, and find myself all alone until the tandems start passing...

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2019, 05:32:34 pm »
you might find a few of

<== these passing first, unfortunately there's no hole in the air for you to tuck into.


Thank you, CrazyEnglishTriathlete!

I plumped for the last vedette wave for exactly those reasons.  I suspect though I may fall off the back quite early, and find myself all alone until the tandems start passing...


SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2019, 06:18:46 pm »
yeah, but they'll be going too fast to say hello to!

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2019, 06:42:16 pm »
What happens at Brest? Nothing?

You get your brevet card stamped and leave as anything else is a time suck with little gain.

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2019, 06:54:02 pm »
Made it to Carhaix last time before sleeping.   There's a chance I could have pushed on to Brest but stopping was the right decision.

I was in one of the first beds when I crashed out and it was carnage when I left.   A lot of the fast guys had slept at Brest and I arrived there to bodies crashed out everywhere.

I slept at Fougeres on the way back but hope to get a bit further back this time round.

If you're going to sleep and want a bed then stop early and leave early.

Mostly I try to be near Carhaix before I sleep. I like to sleep late and prefer to have the hilly section after Loudéac done. Last time I slept in one of the villages shortly before Carhaix. When arriving at the Carhaix control it was nearly empty. I was nicely between the two bulges.

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2019, 06:59:08 pm »
What happens at Brest? Nothing?

Up to 2007 you used to get a choice of a complimentary drink; water, a soft drink or a beer. It was pointed out that anyone not choosing the beer should have been disqualified for having a dangerous mental condition.

I was very grumpy when I found that you had to pay for a beer in 2011, it just wasn't the same.

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2019, 07:19:59 pm »
I'm assuming people talking about there being something at Brest are talking about the "610  Lycee Kerichen - Control" and not the "605  Brest" from the control list?

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2019, 07:28:24 pm »
I'm assuming people talking about there being something at Brest are talking about the "610  Lycee Kerichen - Control" and not the "605  Brest" from the control list?

605 Brest will be a sign saying Brest. A photo opportunity.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@48.3973804,-4.4368059,3a,19.3y,308.34h,93.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5KZEEYgDRES5Sfo4lZd3ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2019, 10:21:18 pm »
I'm assuming people talking about there being something at Brest are talking about the "610  Lycee Kerichen - Control" and not the "605  Brest" from the control list?

605 Brest will be a sign saying Brest. A photo opportunity.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@48.3973804,-4.4368059,3a,19.3y,308.34h,93.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5KZEEYgDRES5Sfo4lZd3ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

We missed the sign in 2011 and 2015. In 2007 the route passed it:



Yes, we ocassionally had sun in 2007.

wilkyboy

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #96 on: February 20, 2019, 12:42:09 pm »
Well we call all agree about that then!

Ha!  Nonsense!  THIS is more like it  ;)

FEED STATNMortagne-au-Perche117.7 km
CONTROL 1Villaines-la-Juhel216.6 km
CONTROL 2Fougères306.0 km
CONTROL 3Tinténiac360.3 km
FEED STATNQuédillac386.9 km
CONTROL 4Loudéac445.4 km
FEED STATNSt-Nicolas-du-Pelem489.1 km
CONTROL 5Carhaix-Plouguer522.1 km
CONTROL 6Brest611.6 km
CONTROL 7Carhaix-Plouguer695.6 km
FEED STATNSt-Nicolas-du-Pelem736.6 km
CONTROL 8Loudéac781.8 km
FEED STATNQuédillac842.1 km
CONTROL 9Tinténiac868.5 km
CONTROL 10Fougères922.7 km
CONTROL 11Villaines-la-Juhel1011.8 km
CONTROL 12Mortagne-au-Perche1096.2 km
CONTROL 13Dreux1173.7 km
ARRIVÉE1218.4 km

This includes the movements into the controls to get to bike parks, and one or two sections that ACP-central don't seem to be fully aware of that the local organisers will — necessarily — implement on the ground.

That said, once we start wobbling all over the road in the grip of sleep-dep then our ridden-distance is going to be a little over anyway ;)
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SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #97 on: February 20, 2019, 01:22:00 pm »
Ah, but if you've included movements into and out of the non-controls in your list aren't you over-stating distance?  :P


wilkyboy

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Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #98 on: February 20, 2019, 01:25:31 pm »
Ah, but if you've included movements into and out of the non-controls in your list aren't you over-stating distance?  :P

Haha — nice one, good point  ;D :thumbsup:

As it happens, since this is a mandatory-route event then you MUST pass through Mortagne-au-Perche and St-Nicolas-du-Pelem sites.  Quédillac is right next to the road and the distance into the bike park is NOT included — I've just put a beep on the route as you pass.
RRTY #7 done.  Need something else to do ... ah, welcome #8 8)

SPB

Re: PBP 2019 ROUTE
« Reply #99 on: February 20, 2019, 01:33:00 pm »
 :D