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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2018, 12:55:55 pm »
I'm surprised it's taken this long for the loons to realise just how cheaply and effectively you can totally fuck things up this way. The range on modern drones (easily 5km, maybe even 10km) is such that you're never going to get caught; massive disruption, no need to die, get away scot free - an anarchists dream.

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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2018, 01:00:38 pm »
There are other things one could do, not quite as simple, that would have a far greater impact on the hydrocarbon economy, but not as quickly and without the publicity.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2018, 01:04:22 pm »
I'm surprised it's taken this long for the loons to realise just how cheaply and effectively you can totally fuck things up this way. The range on modern drones (easily 5km, maybe even 10km) is such that you're never going to get caught; massive disruption, no need to die, get away scot free - an anarchists dream.

With a decent budget and a bit of fettling you could make the drones completely autonomous and attack multiple airports simultaneously while lying low somewhere with no extradition treaty...

I think the only reason the actual terrorists haven't bothered is because they have a bizarre tradition of avoiding acts that are extremely disruptive and even potentially deadly, but insufficiently terrifying.

I'm guessing this one's either environmental protesters with an inadequate PR department, or oiks doing it for the lols.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2018, 01:06:37 pm »
Has anyone actually brought down a plane with a domestic drone yet, either accidentally or deliberately?
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Re: What utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2018, 01:10:50 pm »

It won't help their cause.

That depends on how you identify their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkQSGyeCWg

This lass is absolutely right. When the stakes are that high (and they are), anything goes.

A longer version of her speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmmUIEsN9A
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Re: What utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2018, 01:13:22 pm »
I may be assuming too much too quickly about the motives of the drone operators, but I expect that a lot more airport disruption will be on the cards as Extinction Rebellion really takes off (if you'll pardon the pun).

Governments have done nothing to tackle the causes of climate change and people are taking the law into their own hands.

Whilst awaiting further developments, it might be worth considering putting this in POBI.

It seems the Police agree with you..

"Sussex Police said it was not terror-related but a "deliberate act" of disruption."
It won't help their cause.

Do Sussex Police have history doing this?
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2018, 01:27:02 pm »
Has anyone actually brought down a plane with a domestic drone yet, either accidentally or deliberately?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAV-related_events#Verified_aircraft_collisions

A handful of incidents, none of which brought down the aircraft, and plenty of near-misses.  I'm sure the effects of a drone collision are similar to a single large bird strike, in that in the absence of extremely bad luck the plane is likely to be able to make an emergency landing.

The thing that makes bird strikes really dangerous is when they come in flocks and damage multiple important bits of plane at the same time.  Doing that with drones would be technically challenging and perhaps prohibitively expensive...

Of course, this proves you don't need to have a collision if your intent is merely to cause disruption...
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2018, 01:28:43 pm »
Extinction are holocentric.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocentric
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Holocentric is a philosophical position which focuses on solutions as the outcome of human agency and on critical thinking.
 
Sounds like engineering.

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As the community becomes more effective in the process of dialog, it may become more self-aware, and this ‘systemic’ heightening of awareness may lead to additional emergent properties which in turn may further increase the overall level of understanding and quality of the community response.
 
Neural network?
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2018, 01:34:16 pm »
Of course, this proves you don't need to have a collision if your intent is merely to cause disruption...
You don't even need a drone, a well trained flock of pigeons would do it! How long till pigeon racing attracts the attention of anti-terror cops?!
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2018, 01:35:39 pm »
Has anyone actually brought down a plane with a domestic drone yet, either accidentally or deliberately?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAV-related_events#Verified_aircraft_collisions

A handful of incidents, none of which brought down the aircraft, and plenty of near-misses.  I'm sure the effects of a drone collision are similar to a single large bird strike, in that in the absence of extremely bad luck the plane is likely to be able to make an emergency landing.

The thing that makes bird strikes really dangerous is when they come in flocks and damage multiple important bits of plane at the same time.  Doing that with drones would be technically challenging and perhaps prohibitively expensive...

Of course, this proves you don't need to have a collision if your intent is merely to cause disruption...

Most high profile example is the Miracle on the Hudson - if any of you have watched the film Sully
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2018, 01:47:11 pm »
Are the Russians behind these drones? Have they been tested for Novichok?
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Re: What utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2018, 01:49:33 pm »
I may be assuming too much too quickly about the motives of the drone operators, but I expect that a lot more airport disruption will be on the cards as Extinction Rebellion really takes off (if you'll pardon the pun).

Governments have done nothing to tackle the causes of climate change and people are taking the law into their own hands.

Whilst awaiting further developments, it might be worth considering putting this in POBI.

It seems the Police agree with you..

"Sussex Police said it was not terror-related but a "deliberate act" of disruption."
It won't help their cause.

Do Sussex Police have history doing this?
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2018, 01:53:28 pm »
Of course, this proves you don't need to have a collision if your intent is merely to cause disruption...
You don't even need a drone, a well trained flock of pigeons would do it! How long till pigeon racing attracts the attention of anti-terror cops?!

Who'd then need to establish a crack team of anti-pigeon aviators...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/sj6-LG5VpGk&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/sj6-LG5VpGk&rel=1</a>
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2018, 02:03:12 pm »

The thing that makes bird strikes really dangerous is when they come in flocks and damage multiple important bits of plane at the same time.  Doing that with drones would be technically challenging and perhaps prohibitively expensive...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFlwY5h_sD4

I think we're just down to the expensive bit now.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2018, 02:06:00 pm »
Well, if they catch the person responsible I'd like to personally administer an enema using his bloody drone as lubricant.

I had a good friend arriving at Gatwick today to spend a few days with us before Christmas. Now it looks as though she's not going to make it at all as there are no alternative flights available, due to the planes all being in the wrong places.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2018, 02:06:48 pm »
Of course, this proves you don't need to have a collision if your intent is merely to cause disruption...
You don't even need a drone, a well trained flock of pigeons would do it! How long till pigeon racing attracts the attention of anti-terror cops?!

Who'd then need to establish a crack team of anti-pigeon aviators...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/sj6-LG5VpGk&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/sj6-LG5VpGk&rel=1</a>
https://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
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Re: What utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2018, 02:07:08 pm »

It won't help their cause.

That depends on how you identify their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkQSGyeCWg

This lass is absolutely right. When the stakes are that high (and they are), anything goes.

A longer version of her speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmmUIEsN9A
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2018, 02:11:49 pm »
And as for being "outcome focussed," it doesn't actually do anything to reduce demand for air transport. Though it might not have been eco-activists at all. If it was maybe Putinists, one day's disruption might be their purpose; weakness proved.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2018, 02:14:07 pm »
Personally I want to know where they got their batteries from. The most I can get out of my drone is around 25 minutes before I have to return to base to swap out the batt.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2018, 02:23:05 pm »
And as for being "outcome focussed," it doesn't actually do anything to reduce demand for air transport.

I reckon that depends on whether it becomes regular enough that people decide that it's better to risk BloodyTrains in order to visit granny in Scotlandshire, or not to book a queuing holiday next year.

Those who have good reason for travelling intercontinental distances are going to do it anyway.
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2018, 02:32:37 pm »
I have a lot of time for Greta. To be frank it's my life on the line as the temperatures rise and if some blocked roads and airports are what it takes to get the powers that be to enact meaningful reform then I'll tolerate that and more.

'Being polite' didn't get the sufragettes, civil rights movement or stop de kindermoord anywhere. They used direct action. It's a fool who thinks The Man™ is going to do the square root of Jack shit unless he absolutely has to.

https://ejatlas.org/conflict/stop-de-kindermoord-stop-the-child-murder-protest-for-children-deaths-caused-by-motor-vehicles

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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2018, 02:37:23 pm »
Personally I want to know where they got their batteries from. The most I can get out of my drone is around 25 minutes before I have to return to base to swap out the batt.

Running batteries in parallel and a few cable ties wouldn't be to hard - If I were doing this I'd have a bunch of them in my car (say 20?) and just drive around within a 15 mile to the facility and have them follow a predetermined flightpath - this is easy to do with drones you can make yourself let alone ones bought ready built.  If you had more than one car then the situation could be maintained for quite sometime.

I'm surprised some military technology hasn't been deployed to see if they can spot the launch site(s).... 15 hours of disruption now and an ideal candidate for a copycat to use.  Surely a rivet or awac could have been deployed and something used to track locations?  perhaps they already are up there and don't want to show their hand - this could just be a test for something bigger??  ???

 
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2018, 03:21:01 pm »
Anyone claimed responsibility yet?
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2018, 03:59:59 pm »
Rachel Riley is stuck there!
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Re: Gatwick drones -what utter stupidity and selfishness
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2018, 04:55:36 pm »
Rachel Riley is stuck there!

Oh no!  What we need is a crack squad of middle aged yacfers with a penchant for Countdown to mount a rescue mission.  Some of us even know about the Gatwick airport goods lift which I fancy could be a useful asset.

Come on chaps and chappesses, Rachel needs us  ;D

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