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Handlebars
« on: January 07, 2019, 01:49:36 pm »
Looks like they've changed the rules on handlebars, which in previous editions banned all tribars. The 2019 English rules say:

Handlebars extensions are allowed only if they do not extend beyond a line created between the front of the brake levers, which must not be pointed forward.

However the French original says:

Sur les guidons dits « 3 positions ou course » les prolongateurs avec repose avant-bras sont autorisés à condition qu’ils ne dépassent pas la ligne passant par les points les plus en avant des poignées de frein.

Which Google translates it as:

On handlebars known as "3 positions or race" extensions with forearm support are allowed provided that they do not exceed the line passing through the most forward points of the brake handles.

In any case, doesn't look likely I'll be able to get my bullhorns past the bike inspection which is a bit boring.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 02:08:28 pm »
no tt bikes then.. ::-)

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 02:10:51 pm »
Any news on Unicycles?
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 02:27:52 pm »
Any news on Unicycles?

Two or tree wheeled bikes only.

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 02:29:12 pm »
Those folk in Quattrovelos are going to need special dispensation.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 02:33:28 pm »
So  it's the same rules as in Olympic triathlons. Nothing longer forward than front of brakes.

These will be legal, just like the good old spinaci.

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 04:54:26 pm »
I've seen (on PBP videos) Spinacis in use, masquerading as bar bag supports.

In any case, doesn't look likely I'll be able to get my bullhorns past the bike inspection which is a bit boring.

That was a major reason I didn't enter a 4th PBP (they brought in the handlebars restrictions after my 3rd, 1991) and by then I was using 'bullhorns' (not a word I like) as I have done ever since.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 07:17:23 pm »
I've seen (on PBP videos) Spinacis in use, masquerading as bar bag supports.

In any case, doesn't look likely I'll be able to get my bullhorns past the bike inspection which is a bit boring.

That was a major reason I didn't enter a 4th PBP (they brought in the handlebars restrictions after my 3rd, 1991) and by then I was using 'bullhorns' (not a word I like) as I have done ever since.

But it looks like bullhorns may only be a problem from now (depending on how you read the restriction).

I had no problems with my bullhorns in 2011 (http://www.greenbank.org/audax/pbp_01.jpg)
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2019, 08:11:52 pm »

But it looks like bullhorns may only be a problem from now (depending on how you read the restriction).

I had no problems with my bullhorns in 2011 (http://www.greenbank.org/audax/pbp_01.jpg)

Phil Chadwick used similar as well. Can't see that there should be a problem with your 2011 set-up; doesn't look like the bars extend beyond the front of the brake levers...

Re: Handlebars
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2019, 08:25:23 pm »
I think "3 positions or race" must mean road drop bars*, so it's not saying much at all about any other types of bars.

(reading the French rules strictly, flat bars and full length aero bars should be allowed...)

Re: Handlebars
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2019, 10:50:27 pm »
I would like to see some clarification on flat bars with bar ends as I intend to use a touring bike with such a configuration.

Re: Handlebars
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2019, 09:51:17 pm »
As I understand the french rule they are only talking about "guidons de course", which are drop bars in anglo-saxon. I would have thought that bullhorns should be ok, your hands are next to the brake levers. I don't know what the rules are on flat bars with horns but the situation is not as extreme as tri bars; perhaps they couldn't complain about stubby extensions that don't come any further forward than the handles of the brake levers.

Re: Handlebars
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2019, 10:26:39 pm »
Those folk in Quattrovelos are going to need special dispensation.

Indeed, that has already been discussed at the relevant level.

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2019, 10:44:51 pm »
The intent of the number of wheels limit is to prevent rollerbladers and suchlike from participating. Same for the 'chain drive' requirement after Alpo on the Kickbike at PBP03. Belt drive bikes were nodded through, of course.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2019, 10:47:21 pm »
The intent of the number of wheels limit is to prevent rollerbladers and suchlike from participating. Same for the 'chain drive' requirement after Alpo on the Kickbike at PBP03.

Where's the fun in that?
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2019, 10:58:43 pm »


Reading that, wouldn't bullhorns be ok, along with draft legal aero bars? The bull horns don't extend beyond the brake lever...

Looking at my current bike, I could lop off about 15mm off the front of my aero bars, and they wouldn't extend beyond the limit of the brake levers...

Maybe I won't need to buy a velomobile before 2023 afterall...

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2019, 11:01:55 pm »
The intent of the number of wheels limit is to prevent rollerbladers and suchlike from participating. Same for the 'chain drive' requirement after Alpo on the Kickbike at PBP03.

Where's the fun in that?

Have you tried overtaking a rollerblader while riding a bike only slightly quicker? Now imagine doing so while both people are quite sleep-deprived...
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2019, 11:06:17 pm »
Looking at my current bike, I could lop off about 15mm off the front of my aero bars, and they wouldn't extend beyond the limit of the brake levers...

Fit handlebars with long ramps to push those brake levers further out and you won't have to trim the aerobars.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2019, 11:17:27 pm »
Our Chairman, Chris Crossland, is travelling to Paris this weekend for the annual "presentation" from ACP.  It may be worth asking him to see if he can get clarification on any points that concern members.  It's probably best to email him at chair@audax.uk with any specific questions to ask.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 07:21:47 am »
Our Chairman, Chris Crossland, is travelling to Paris this weekend for the annual "presentation" from ACP.  It may be worth asking him to see if he can get clarification on any points that concern members.  It's probably best to email him at chair@audax.uk with any specific questions to ask.

Especially as there are also a few informal sessions with ACP representatives around that meeting.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 07:22:54 am »
The intent of the number of wheels limit is to prevent rollerbladers and suchlike from participating. Same for the 'chain drive' requirement after Alpo on the Kickbike at PBP03.

Where's the fun in that?

Have you tried overtaking a rollerblader while riding a bike only slightly quicker? Now imagine doing so while both people are quite sleep-deprived...

That depends. If it's a rolleblader with a good technique, usually someone with a marathon speedskating background, then it's not such an issue. If it's someone with an ice-hockey style background, that's a completely different problem.

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2019, 08:00:54 am »
That bit about "must not be pointed forward" is completely absent from the cited French spec. Seems like the translator added it gratuitously.

Chum of mine had no problems with bullhorns in 2007 or 2011.  His brake levers point backwards, though.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2019, 02:59:12 pm »
Prior to the 1995 PBP we (on behalf of AUK) sent ACP a sheet with several sketches of possible handlebar configurations, for their comment.  Included were bullhorns, straight bars with extensions at the ends or inboard, short and long tri-bars, butterfly bars, I think there were 8 sketches in total.  They returned the sheet with all the sketches crossed out except the standard road drops.

That was then of course, things have obviously moved on since.  It was probably one of those situations where it would have been better not to ask the question.
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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 01:22:07 pm »
I would like to see some clarification on flat bars with bar ends as I intend to use a touring bike with such a configuration.

I rode flat bars with bar ends (not extensions, per se) in 2015 and Eduard (bike check) raised his eyebrows and nodded it through.  If he had said "non" then I would've removed them there and then and probably refitted them up the course somewhere, as they barely showed forward of the bar, being mid-mounted.

However, he may've been raising his eyebrows as much at the bike as at the bars ;)

There was a mountain bike tandem that I drafted for a while, and they also had bar ends ISTR.

It was probably one of those situations where it would have been better not to ask the question.

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Re: Handlebars
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 02:45:44 pm »
I rode my mountain bike with multi-position bars in 2003, the bike checker called for an adjudication on seeing them and the adjudicator just waved them through. Each time I've ridden PBP I've seen a few people riding flat bars (with or without bar ends) and I can't imagine that they would suddenly be banned this time. It's just tri-bars they don't like, however in trying to provide a quasi-legal definition of a tri-bar other configurations get included. Fortunately the officials take a very French attitude to regulations and ignore them.