Author Topic: You don't pay no road tax  (Read 2671 times)

Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #100 on: October 10, 2019, 03:20:08 pm »
I increasingly think the solution is carbon rationing. Where we assess what our emissions are and what we would like them to be, and everyone gets a carbon allowance for gas, non renewable electricity, fuel, travel, maybe even all goods.

If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.
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Kim

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #101 on: October 10, 2019, 03:22:42 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.
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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #102 on: October 10, 2019, 03:23:14 pm »
I increasingly think the solution is carbon rationing. Where we assess what our emissions are and what we would like them to be, and everyone gets a carbon allowance for gas, non renewable electricity, fuel, travel, maybe even all goods.

If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.
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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #103 on: October 10, 2019, 03:25:30 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.
Carbon usage comes off landlord's carbon allowance. That would encourage them to insulate the property properly. With adjustments for commercial landlords.
Rust never sleeps

Kim

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #104 on: October 10, 2019, 03:29:17 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.
Carbon usage comes off landlord's carbon allowance. That would encourage them to insulate the property properly. With adjustments for commercial landlords.

Courageous, as they say in Yes Minister.
To ride the Windcheetah, first, you must embrace the cantilever...

Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #105 on: October 10, 2019, 03:31:46 pm »

£30 p.a. for my car. ....
A6 avant. 4 people and luggage, no worries. 700kg of stone seems a lot. Probably needs a crew cab pick up.

? ? ? ?

https://www.parkers.co.uk/audi/a6/avant-2018/car-tax/

Maybe yours is the previous regime? It's changed now.

Which FTR is the same as the grandpawagon, they are very similar cars, although I have the slight edge on capacity.

Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #106 on: October 10, 2019, 03:45:21 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.
Carbon usage comes off landlord's carbon allowance. That would encourage them to insulate the property properly. With adjustments for commercial landlords.

Courageous, as they say in Yes Minister.
:-)

A man can dream can't he ??
Rust never sleeps

Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #107 on: October 10, 2019, 04:23:59 pm »
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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #108 on: October 10, 2019, 04:25:59 pm »
I increasingly think the solution is carbon rationing. Where we assess what our emissions are and what we would like them to be, and everyone gets a carbon allowance for gas, non renewable electricity, fuel, travel, maybe even all goods.

If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

I like that idea, if it means I can sell some of my rations for cash. I'd save even more money by being too mean to heat my home very much or use a car.

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #109 on: October 10, 2019, 04:50:56 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.

True, but this is the same for everything. It the price of gas goes up 10% I can grumble about British Gas, but I'm not going to spend my evenings shivering.

The secret, of course, is not to rely on landlords and developers to do the right thing because they'll do the cheap thing. It's the legislate that they do the right thing.

Looks at current government: we're fucked. Remember, these were the people who gave Persimmon so much money their CEO had to quit out of embarrassment.
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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #110 on: October 10, 2019, 05:08:15 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.
If anything it probably costs more as the homes are bigger
   Eddington  87 miles

Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #111 on: October 10, 2019, 05:10:31 pm »

£30 p.a. for my car. ....
A6 avant. 4 people and luggage, no worries. 700kg of stone seems a lot. Probably needs a crew cab pick up.

? ? ? ?

https://www.parkers.co.uk/audi/a6/avant-2018/car-tax/

Maybe yours is the previous regime? It's changed now.

Which FTR is the same as the grandpawagon, they are very similar cars, although I have the slight edge on capacity.
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   Eddington  87 miles

ElyDave

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #112 on: October 10, 2019, 07:16:57 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.

True, but this is the same for everything. It the price of gas goes up 10% I can grumble about British Gas, but I'm not going to spend my evenings shivering.

The secret, of course, is not to rely on landlords and developers to do the right thing because they'll do the cheap thing. It's the legislate that they do the right thing.

Looks at current government: we're fucked. Remember, these were the people who gave Persimmon so much money their CEO had to quit out of embarrassment.

my experience, working in the area of carbon management is that companies are far ahead of governments in this area, whatever the graun might have said this week.

Big Pharma site i was at last week, has some very ambitious targets for both CO2 neutral and energy reductions, unbidden by govt. 
“Procrastination is the thief of time, collar him.” –Charles Dickens

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #113 on: October 10, 2019, 07:18:59 pm »
debt is effectively the most traded 'commodity' in the world, not product).
This in all things. We've built a whole global economy based on shuffling digits and pieces of notional paper from one person to another. This is far more important than things!
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ian

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #114 on: October 10, 2019, 07:21:57 pm »
If people are forced to choose between driving and heating the home or holidays things may change. Not taxation as polluting the planet should not be a luxury afforded to the rich. An absolute limit the same for everyone.

Except it's not the same for everyone, is it?  Rich people can afford to use less fuel to heat their homes, because theirs aren't built to landlord spec.  They might even have their own renewable energy sources.

True, but this is the same for everything. It the price of gas goes up 10% I can grumble about British Gas, but I'm not going to spend my evenings shivering.

The secret, of course, is not to rely on landlords and developers to do the right thing because they'll do the cheap thing. It's the legislate that they do the right thing.

Looks at current government: we're fucked. Remember, these were the people who gave Persimmon so much money their CEO had to quit out of embarrassment.

my experience, working in the area of carbon management is that companies are far ahead of governments in this area, whatever the graun might have said this week.

Big Pharma site i was at last week, has some very ambitious targets for both CO2 neutral and energy reductions, unbidden by govt. 

That's true, but relying on corporate altruism will only get us so far, and sometimes I think the fact that some companies being ahead is really more a reflection on how retrograde our government is in enforcing measures. These are the people who announce their concern for the climate with a road expansion plan and reward developers for building the cheapest boxes possible at the minimum possible standards.
!nataS pihsroW

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #115 on: October 10, 2019, 10:55:12 pm »
my experience, working in the area of carbon management is that companies are far ahead of governments in this area, whatever the graun might have said this week.
I'd go one further/worse: while teh man on the street will harp on about Climate Change (if you are lucky) teh same man will also suggest that someone else should be made to deal with it and it should not force any lifestyle changes on him.
It's like paying taxes, someone else should do it.
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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #116 on: October 10, 2019, 11:03:19 pm »
my experience, working in the area of carbon management is that companies are far ahead of governments in this area, whatever the graun might have said this week.
I'd go one further/worse: while teh man on the street will harp on about Climate Change (if you are lucky) teh same man will also suggest that someone else should be made to deal with it and it should not force any lifestyle changes on him.
It's like paying taxes, someone else should do it.

This. in spades.
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ElyDave

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #117 on: October 11, 2019, 06:34:49 am »
Ian,
I don't think its corporate altruism any more, its now becoming some thing that is directly affecting bottom line, PR, recruitment, license to operate in some cases
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ian

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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #118 on: October 11, 2019, 10:54:30 am »
I'm more cynical, in some cases I think it's a push to avoid more stringent legislation by doing something voluntarily. I just don't buy corporate altruism as an ultimate solution to anything, it's only a solution till the spreadsheets disagree.
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Re: You don't pay no road tax
« Reply #119 on: October 11, 2019, 04:09:09 pm »
A mail went round the other day about reducing the amount of paper towels we use to improve sustainability.

I could point out we'd be better off canning our physical coal operation, but it's probably not a career lengthening move.